My answer now is no. So no more "hats off to people that use controllers" I myself used a controller playing Gran Turismo 1 thru to Prologue and come to think of it i was doing pretty good back then without a wheel. For GT4 i did have the Driving Force EX but rarely used it because i was so used to a controller. As a matter of fact i tried next weeks course with the MK5 GTI with Ross's specs and with the wheel i was doing 1:17"s. Then i used controller and did a 1:15.6. PD has made the Gran Turismo series very controller friendly unlike the other sims we play, well i play Race 07,GTL and RFactor as well and i cannot use a controller for those games. So i was wrong Ross by saying side by side racing is tough with a controller because i see that i can keep just as well of a line as using a wheel. I can still trail brake with a controller and some turns, i can negotiate faster with controller. I'm thinking about racing on Sunday with a controller if i cannot drop my time down with the wheel LOL!. See you guys Sunday.