"Steering like a boat" fixed for G27?

Glygoo · Sep 23, 2015

For as long as I've been playing RRRE I've always got the impression that the car tends to wave about making it difficult to control. I believe that other posters on the forum have noticed the same effect.

Bear with me on this OK? I also play Stock Car Extreme which has a FFB EFFECTS option where you can choose FFB OFF LOW MEDIUM HIGH AND FULL. Most GSC resources recommend setting FFB EFFECTS to LOW with a G27.

Although there are lots of FFB settings to fiddle with in RRRE I haven't been able to dial out the wavy handling, until now. I was poking around the "Logitech G27 Paddle Shift.rcs" control set file and I found this line

FFB Effects Level="1" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom (identical to SCE).

Mine was set to 4 or 5 (can't remember sorry), anyway I changed the value to "1" and voila, I can now race without feeling that the car is constantly waving around from side to side. This has certainly made a big difference for me and now I will be enjoying the game like I've always wanted to. By changing FFB EFFECTS to "1" it takes out most of the "canned" effects which aren't needed with a G27. All the FFB effects are still there, grip, sliding, kerbs, bumps etc.

In game the only FFB settings I have changed are FFB Intensity 50% and Shift Effect 20% I now have a good basic FFB feel to play with.

Hope this is useful to all you G27 users out there with the same wavy feeling.

Cheers
Glygoo

Glygoo PC Spec
Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 7870 OC Windforce 3X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
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Nox · Sep 24, 2015

I have a G27 and I too suffer from crappy unfinished FFB. A number of people have mentioned it, but as yet there's been no sign of a fix. I know it is still officially a beta, but it seems a huge oversight to ignore users with such a common wheel. Most of their effort seems to go into new tracks like Paul Ricard, Spa, Nords, etc, to make more money, but no real effort on the G27 FFB. Spa looks great, but if I can't drive a straight line on it, what's the point? And if I sound frustrated it is because it was a fight even to get them to admit there was a FFB issue, and it has been like this for a very long time. I do appreciate your suggestion, I've tried it and S3s suggestions from other threads, but it isn't good enough and the wheel still swings back and forth. I'm avoiding R3E until they fix it, and if they don't, well they'll lose a paying customer.

Glygoo · Sep 24, 2015

I'm surprised it hasn't made any difference because mine is totally fixed. You may already know this, but you need to edit the "Logitech G27 Paddle Shift.rcs" file, then in the game select the G27 controller profile then enter your personal wheel settings. It won't work unless you create a new profile after editing the.rcs. If you've already done this sorry it didn't work for you. Since I changed mine I can attack the race track instead of tiptoeing around waiting for my car to spin off.

Cheers

Vangelis Parginos · Sep 27, 2015

Cant find that line in my Logitech G27 Paddle Shift.rcs
Thx anyway

Edit: Found it sorry, i will try and report

Lars Hansen · Sep 29, 2015

Absolutely brilliant tip.
Easy to implement, and oh boy does it work wonders.

BoogerMac · Sep 30, 2015

Nice find...I'll try this later tonight.

Jake Fangio · Sep 30, 2015

Yes can confirm this fix. Great job mate.

Georg Ortner · Sep 30, 2015

Everything this line does can be achieved through changing the settings via the menus.
Disable engine and brake vibrations / shift effect, and set dampers + friction to 0.

Code:

FFB Effects level 1 - 4:

1 = SteerForce
2 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip
3 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip + BrakeVibe
4 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip + BrakeVibe + ThrottleVibe

You have to make sure, that you checked the box "allow game to change settings" in the logitech profiler though.

Kenny Paton · Sep 30, 2015

Georg Ortner said:
Everything this line does can be achieved through changing the settings via the menus.
Disable engine and brake vibrations / shift effect, and set dampers + friction to 0.

Code:

FFB Effects level 1 - 4: 1 = SteerForce 2 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip 3 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip + BrakeVibe 4 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip + BrakeVibe + ThrottleVibe

You have to make sure, that you checked the box "allow game to change settings" in the logitech profiler though.

What happens if you don't use the profiler?

SOLO59 · Oct 1, 2015

This is a great find. Works really good. Don't forget to create a new profile in game. Thank you @Glygoo

BoogerMac · Oct 1, 2015

Yes, great find @Glygoo. I played for a few hours the past few days and your "fix" worked wonderfully. Thanks!

Shovas · Oct 2, 2015

Georg Ortner said:
Everything this line does can be achieved through changing the settings via the menus.
Disable engine and brake vibrations / shift effect, and set dampers + friction to 0.

Code:

FFB Effects level 1 - 4: 1 = SteerForce 2 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip 3 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip + BrakeVibe 4 = Steerforce + SteerFriction + Damper + Jolt + Rumblestrip + BrakeVibe + ThrottleVibe

You have to make sure, that you checked the box "allow game to change settings" in the logitech profiler though.

Georg, I wonder what they're feeling then? Is SteerFriction + Damper creating the "boat sway" effect?

I'm running an AccuForce and have been finding that *increasing* friction alleviates the issue for me although not completely.

Previously my Friction and Damper were 0% and I increased them to *reduce* boat sway.

What do you think we're feeling?

Shovas · Oct 5, 2015

Unfortunately the setting didn't work for me

I didn't find it in the RCS file, so I added it manually, but still got quite a bit of boat sway. I'm not sure it was even accepted. When I exited R3E the file no longer had that setting in it.

For anyone interested, I've been recording my latest settings on my blog here, with settings screen snaps:

http://selah.ca/simxperience-accuforce-pro-steering-system/

My latest tweaks involve adding damper and friction which, for wheels with some force to spare, really increases the realism of how much effort it takes to move the wheel. Friction also seems to alleviate the wild backend whip-tail behaviour which I think is due to the Understeer having nothing to slow it down when Friction is at 0% (which it was defaulted to for me).

PaulH · Oct 5, 2015

This also worked for me using Thrustmaster TX, made hell of a difference

Glygoo · Oct 5, 2015

Shovas said:
Unfortunately the setting didn't work for me I didn't find it in the RCS file, so I added it manually, but still got quite a bit of boat sway. I'm not sure it was even accepted. When I exited R3E the file no longer had that setting in it.

For anyone interested, I've been recording my latest settings on my blog here, with settings screen snaps:

http://selah.ca/simxperience-accuforce-pro-steering-system/

My latest tweaks involve adding damper and friction which, for wheels with some force to spare, really increases the realism of how much effort it takes to move the wheel. Friction also seems to alleviate the wild backend whip-tail behaviour which I think is due to the Understeer having nothing to slow it down when Friction is at 0% (which it was defaulted to for me).

You should be able to find the .rcs in first image, then edit the highlighted line in second image.

Glygoo

xnorb · Oct 5, 2015

Interesting - will check it out when i come home.

EDIT: Didn't help anything.
But i still doubt that it's an FFB problem to begin with...

Shovas · Oct 6, 2015

Glygoo said:
You should be able to find the .rcs in first image, then edit the highlighted line in second image.

Thanks, I was editing the right file (I have other edits in the file) but that line wasn't there.

Msportdan · Oct 6, 2015

id love to try rre again, but the boat swaying/over powerful centre spring, eventually put me off this game. Will this thread fix it on a t300 gte?

Brandon Wright · Oct 6, 2015

Msportdan said:
id love to try rre again, but the boat swaying/over powerful centre spring, eventually put me off this game. Will this thread fix it on a t300 gte?

It didn't on mine, though I didn't edit the text file and just followed Georg's advice above by disabling engine and brake vibrations / shift effect, and set dampers + friction to 0. It felt better, but still floaty and still too much center spring.