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[CC]

I don't wanna doubt Marco but to be honest, out of these two I believe Bartels (and honestly, pure logic) aswell ...

Anyhow, to the video @Dave_6 just posted, here is some more 550 porn - onboard starts at 6:15:

Did they already fix that? I haven't driven it lately, just remember how it was when it came out.

I dont doubt anyone , but would argue til the cows come home a FIA GT1 2004 MC12 10000% As adjustable suspension , its common sense , these things are finely tuned to a mm of there life , toe , camber , everything is fully adjustable to be done in almost minutes if not seconds , I highly doubt a car as complex as the MC12 would have no adjustable suspension I just dont believe it .

 

[Dave_6]

Thanks Dave

No problem! I remember seeing that video when it was first posted a few months ago. Too bad the Lister never goes on track in it.

 

[Michael Springer]

I dont doubt anyone , but would argue til the cows come home a FIA GT1 2004 MC12 10000% As adjustable suspension , its common sense , these things are finely tuned to a mm of there life , toe , camber , everything is fully adjustable to be done in almost minutes if not seconds , I highly doubt a car as complex as the MC12 would have no adjustable suspension I just dont believe it .

Totally with you, this was just Marcos statement. I completely agree with you on that matter.

 

[Dave_6]

Most of the time Kunos only gets access to one particular car from a manufacturer. Could be that the certain MC12 they got to look at had a non adjustable suspension on it, for whatever reason.

 

[CC]

Most of the time Kunos only gets access to one particular car from a manufacturer. Could be that the certain MC12 they got to look at had a non adjustable suspension on it, for whatever reason.

Maybe it was the road version and not a GT1 who knows

 

[CC]

No problem! I remember seeing that video when it was first posted a few months ago. Too bad the Lister never goes on track in it.

Just playing with the Lister now in 3DS Max , well have been for a few days updating it some and going over it , making some nice progress but time consuming to say the least

 

[Joseph Maxx]

But then you have the issue that most people will not know how to do that

Lol, probably. All I can say is if someone can figure out how to move a simple slider they probably shouldn't be trusted to get behind the wheel.

 

[Matt Orr]

Could a Step version of the cars not be done to match the Kunos MC12?

Regardless, 2002 and 2003 didn't have the MC12, and when this ends up being a pack there should be enough there it wouldn't be the absolute end of the world for those not looking to balance them out. Even the Viper / Storm / 550 should provide enough action if a car is sadly left on the sideline, worst case scenario.

 

[Trezoitao38]

I prefer the car as they were on past. Fast, brutal, some big engines, full of torque, really racing cars. We alrealdy have the GT3 and GT2 cars to feel something with lots of donwforce with underpowered engines. Please, bring these "easy to learn, hard to master" GTR 2 cars to us again.

 

[CC]

Could a Step version of the cars not be done to match the Kunos MC12?

Regardless, 2002 and 2003 didn't have the MC12, and when this ends up being a pack there should be enough there it wouldn't be the absolute end of the world for those not looking to balance them out. Even the Viper / Storm / 550 should provide enough action if a car is sadly left on the sideline, worst case scenario.

Thinking about it , most likely be kinda controversial once we release 6 cars and the MC12 is been complained about , as been totally wrong and underpowered specially on a official title , I think more research is needed and some investigation into the situation , if we can all scour online and try and find more information and find hard facts , maybe contact some teams , owners who actually run still the MC12 , there is not many cars out there but we can still have a go then lets see what happens with it , such a pity to have such an iconic car been raced along with the RSS content that just can not keep up on track

 

[CC]

Maybe this guy can clarify who knows
http://supercars.agent4stars.com/power-cars/maserati-mc12-gt1/

 

[CC]

Looks pretty adjustable to me , 2003 MC12 GT1

 

[GT VIRUS]

Is it possible they used the MC12 Versione Corse?

 

[CC]

Is it possible they used the MC12 Versione Corse?

Hi GT ,
Good point , but was just looking on WIKI , and if you read at the bottom , its saying the Corse version shares the same engine as the GT1 , not quite sure if its the same specs , we will need to find some more info ,
last time I checked a few weeks back on the subject I found 3 different sites , that gave the GT1 MC12 3 different performance readings , really strange how the facts are mixed so much .

WIKI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_MC12

The Corse[51] is a variant of the MC12 intended for racetrack use. In contrast to the race version of the MC12, of which street-legal versions were produced for homologation purposes, the MC12 Corse is intended for private use, albeit restricted to the track, as the Corse's modifications make it illegal to drive on the road.

The Corse was developed directly from the MC12 GT1, which won the 2005 FIA GT Manufacturers Cup.[52] The car was released in mid-2006, "in response to the customer demand to own the MC12 racing car and fueled by the growth in track days, where owners can drive their cars at high speeds in the safety of a race track", as stated by Edward Butler, General Manager for Maserati in Australia and New Zealand.[52][53] In similar fashion to the Ferrari FXX, although the owners are private individuals, Maserati is responsible for the storage, upkeep, and maintenance of the cars, and they are only driven on specially organized track days. Unlike the FXX, Corsas are not used for research and development, and are used only for entertainment.[54] A single MC12 Corsa has been modified by its owner to make it street-legal.[52]

Only twelve MC12 Corsas were sold to selected customers, each of whom paid €1 million (US$1.47 million) for the privilege. Another three vehicles were produced for testing and publicity purposes.[53][55] The Corsa shares its engine with the MC12 GT1; the powerplant produces 755 PS (555 kW; 745 hp) at 8000 rpm, 122 PS (90 kW; 120 hp) more than the original MC12.[56] The MC12 Corse shares the GT1's shortened nose, which was a requirement for entry into the American Le Mans Series. The car was available in a single standard color, named "Blue Victory", though the car's paint could be customized upon request.[53] The MC12 Corse possesses steel/carbon racing brakes, but is not fitted with an anti-lock braking system.[52]

 

[CC]

 

[mclarenf1papa]

No one is quite sure what happened 100% with this MC12 , Maybe I dare not say anything about it ,
people might start thinking I am complaining again ,
but the census is , the HP figures are wrong and its roughly 60-70 down on where it should be , if I call correct , we was discussing it some time back , I am not doing the physics and obviously not really gone into details on it , but doubtful we will match all our cars with less HP just to be equal with the MC12 ,
@David Dominguez can you clarify on the performance differences

AC's MC12 seems to have an engine based on the ~2010 regulations if Maserati's claimed hp at the time is anything to go by...so the performance isn't necessarily wrong, it's just not the same as the original regs. In any case, it will certainly be slower than the "RSS" cars.

I don't wanna doubt Marco but to be honest, out of these two I believe Bartels (and honestly, pure logic) aswell ...

Anyhow, to the video @Dave_6 just posted, here is some more 550 porn - onboard starts at 6:15:

Did they already fix that? I haven't driven it lately, just remember how it was when it came out.

I'm pretty certain it's always had adjustable suspension in AC besides the dampers (if it was changed it was definitely pre-1.15, but like I said I don't believe the car's any different from the initial release besides the auto-blip fix). Based on the pictures cc uploaded, damper adjust-ability should pretty obviously be added, but it's hard to know whether or not adjustable dampers were a later development or what originally came on the car (though I would suspect the latter).

 

[CC]

AC's MC12 seems to have an engine based on the ~2010 regulations if Maserati's claimed hp at the time is anything to go by...so the performance isn't necessarily wrong, it's just not the same as the original regs. In any case, it will certainly be slower than the "RSS" cars.


I'm pretty certain it's always had adjustable suspension in AC besides the dampers (if it was changed it was definitely pre-1.15, but like I said I don't believe the car's any different from the initial release besides the auto-blip fix). Based on the pictures cc uploaded, damper adjust-ability should pretty obviously be added, but it's hard to know whether or not adjustable dampers were a later development or what originally came on the car (though I would suspect the latter).

Well from just measuring the car , its almost to the specifications whats held above in my previous post , to within a few mm , the height is over 60+mm wrong around 62mm , Length is almost exact but i didnt measure the tow bar at the front , but within a couple of mm , 4 mm too short , width is showing around 9mm again too narrow , but wouldnt always trust info from random sites anyways , but the chassis seems to meet GT1 requirements

 

[mclarenf1papa]

Well yeah you're looking at sources of questionable credibility with no citations...naturally there are going to be discrepancies.

A Gooding&Co. private listing of the car claims "approximately 600 HP." Road and Track wrote that Maserati claimed they were down to 560 hp with the 2010 regulations. Both of those are reasonable to me. Anything above 620 seems a bit optimistic though...the cars weren't much faster on the straights (if faster at all - trap speeds at LM in 2005 and 2006 are actually within a few kph of 2016 speeds) compared to the current GTE cars. The GT1s were generally draggier, but I don't think it was by enough to account for such a large power gap.

 

[CC]

Well yeah you're looking at sources of questionable credibility with no citations...naturally there are going to be discrepancies.

A Gooding&Co. private listing of the car claims "approximately 600 HP." Road and Track wrote that Maserati claimed they were down to 560 hp with the 2010 regulations. Both of those are reasonable to me. Anything above 620 seems a bit optimistic though...the cars weren't much faster on the straights (if faster at all - trap speeds at LM in 2005 and 2006 are actually within a few kph of 2016 speeds) compared to the current GTE cars. The GT1s were generally draggier, but I don't think it was by enough to account for such a large power gap.

True , but like I was saying before , I found 3 different sites all giving different figures as usual , not give me much confidence in trusting any , none seem that factual lol

 

[Michael Springer]

I'm pretty certain it's always had adjustable suspension in AC besides the dampers (if it was changed it was definitely pre-1.15, but like I said I don't believe the car's any different from the initial release besides the auto-blip fix). Based on the pictures cc uploaded, damper adjust-ability should pretty obviously be added, but it's hard to know whether or not adjustable dampers were a later development or what originally came on the car (though I would suspect the latter).

That's the thing - it didn't. When it first came out, you couldn't adjust the bump and rebound/damping settings of the suspension itself. It was fixed and didn't really work that well...

Interesting point about the 2010 spec though - I'm pretty sure power-wise Kunos went for the 2010-spec and not the "old" GT1-spec power ... would make sense for the car to feel so castrated.

Obviously the problem with power is always that some people say the numbers with restrictors, some without, and some just give a rough estimate. That 755 hp above is definitely without restrictors and "about 600hp" could mean anything between 570-630 which is quite a difference... :/

I agree with you, @mclarenf1papa - the car should probably sit at around 620 hp with restrictors.