PC1 Reaction to the newer builds

[Randy Winston]

I have been avoiding pCARS for a while, because of problems with input lag and laggy graphics at the lowest settings. I decided to give it another try this evening as I had nothing to do. I'm glad I did, as it is massively improved since I last tried it a couple of months ago. I think some fine tuning with regards to my ffb settings and this could be great fun. I'm looking forward to this game, mostly on the consoles, because if there isn't going to be modding, I'd rather have it on there anyway. So to the detractors, I urge you to give it another shot. They are getting there.

 

[David Ignjatovic]

csr elite

That's quite strange Nathan....I really don't how that can be, even my DFGT did it.
Is it possible a setting needs adjusting....?

 

[BigSilverHotdog]

Yeah, i get braking FFB in rfactor with my CSR, many different kinds in fact (using realfeel + LeoFFB). How else would you respond instantly to lockups? You feel it before you see it.

In fact, I can feel a clear difference between front lockup and rear lockup... I can also feel how much grip I have based on tire temperature... but I have to know from experience what that feels like...

 

[Nathan Robinson]

That's quite strange Nathan....I really don't how that can be, even my DFGT did it.
Is it possible a setting needs adjusting....?

I did some testing tonight out of curiosity. In the enduracers lmp2, using realfeel, I never get any feedback while braking in a straight line. Some times, if i've locked up the wheels while turning in, I get a small jerk in the direction i'm turning. By this time i've already committed to the entry, so it doesnt seem like a decent warning. You dont need force feedback to keep from locking up though, if you do enough laps you can guage it by where you get on the brakes for the turn or just from being used to the weight transfer visually. I know one of the higher end sim wheels doesnt even utilize force feedback.

I wondered if Iracing would be the same so I did some testing with the vette at watkins. I was surprised, but I could feel the braking in the wheel here. Braking in a straight line produced some slight jerking in the wheel, while locking them up jolted it one way and held it there so that you kind of feel like you're flat spotting. I'll admit, i've never really stopped to notice something like that, it's just something you get used to and forget about I guess. I'll be interested in actually paying attention with some other sims as well.

 

[BigSilverHotdog]

Configure realfeel to use max damper (right CTRL KP5), set realfeel mix to 60-70 (if using LeoFFB in combination, which is recommended), set smoothing to 3, and max force to 2500~ (or -2500 as some mods require). I don't remember how good Enduracers LMP2 is with realfeel; some mods work poorly with realfeel, but most work well. The above settings are an excellent baseline to start with for all rfactor mods for CSR/CSR Elite users. Tested and work well with F1 1979, F1 1991HE, DRM Revival 2.0, FSONE 2008/2009, MMG 2007, and many others. I use FFB level 60 on my CSR, which is good and strong but not overpowering. Make sure your centering spring is activated in Fanatec driver (most recent driver/firmware combo removed this option, thus doesn't work for rfactor -- I flashed and had to revert), and also make sure the SPR spring setting on your wheel is either -1 (for old firmwares) or 0 (for newer firmwares) and the wheel damper, drift settings, etc, are disabled. Also rfactor itself has to be FFB on "Low" setting. I'm probably forgetting some details even, there's so many to remember...

Also try these controller.ini settings (backup controller.ini first):

[ Force Feedback ]
FFB Device Type="1" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
FFB Effects Level="1" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.
FFB Gain="0.50345" // Strength of Force Feedback effects. Range 0.0 to 1.0.
FFB Ignore Controllers="0" // Do not use FFB on: 1=controller1, 2=controller2, 4=controller3 (or add values to ignore multiple controllers)
FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis, 1 = throttle effects on steering axis.
FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake effects on steering axis.
FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.20000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering
FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.03500" // Magnitude of steering vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude).
FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB steer force prediction="0.00000" // Time into the future that force is predicted, to help counteract wheel latency (0.0 to disable)
FFB steer force max change="100.00000" // Maximum change per second based on current difference between calculated and applied
FFB steer force neutral range="0.00000" // Max distance from center "neutral force" location where forces are reduced to help avoid oscillation (0.0 to disable)
FFB steer force neutral function="0.00000" // Function to apply near neutral force location, in order to tune out FFB "deadzone" but keeping oscillations in check: 0.0=original, 1.0=new
FFB steer force exponent="0.80000" // Steering force output "sensitivity". Range 0.0 to infinity. 0.0 to 1.0 = higher sensitivity, greater than 1.0 = lower sensitivity.
FFB steer force input max="11500.00000" // Recommended: 11500 (-11500 if controller pulls in the wrong direction)
FFB steer force output max="1.80000" // Maximum force output of steering force, recommendation 0.8 to 2.0
FFB steer force grip function="0.25000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0 (previous hardcoded value was 1.0) - lower values will make steering force decrease LATER as front tire grip is lost - try 0.3
FFB steer force grip weight="0.90000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.4 to 0.9. How much weight is given to tire grip when calculating steering force.
FFB steer force grip factor="0.95000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.2 to 0.6 (previously hardcoded to 0.4). How much of a factor the front wheel grip is on the steering weight.
FFB steer front grip fract="0.75000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0 (previous hardcoded value was 0.0), additional effect of front grip loss on steering force
FFB steer update threshold="0.0000500000" // Amount of change required to update steer force/vibe (0.0 - 1.0). Lower values = steering force updated more frequently = lower frame rate.
FFB steer friction coefficient="0.17500" // Coefficient to use for steering friction. Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer friction saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering friction. Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB steer damper coefficient="0.17500" // Coefficient to use for steering damper. Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.17000" // Scales actual engine frequency to force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50
FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude="0.09000" // Magnitude of engine vibration at 0rpm (reference point).
FFB throttle vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude).
FFB throttle vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB throttle vibe update thresh="0.08000" // Amount of change required to update throttle vibe (0.0 - 1.0)
FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.90000" // Scales actual brake rotational frequency to force feedback vibration frequency.
FFB brake vibe zero magnitude="0.10000" // Magnitude of brake vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB brake vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB brake vibe zero magnitude).
FFB brake vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB brake vibe update thresh="0.05000" // Amount of change required to update brake vibe (0.0 to 1.0)
FFB rumble strip magnitude="0.25000" // How strong the rumble strip rumble is. Range 0.0 to 1.0, 0.0 disables effect.
FFB rumble strip freq mult="0.60000" // Rumble strip frequency multiplier 1.0 = one rumble per wheel rev.
FFB rumble strip wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB rumble strip pull factor="0.50000" // How strongly wheel pulls right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range: -1.5 to 1.5.
FFB rumble strip update thresh="0.07500" // Amount of change required to update rumble strip effect (0.0 - 1.0)
FFB jolt magnitude="1.00000" // How strong jolts from other cars (or walls) are. Suggested Range: -2.0 to 2.0.

 

[Mapu]

What's this going to change about pcars and its great community?

Oh and Nathan here is a tip to show you how fair I am. Don't use real feel or leo for endurance racing.

 

[Nathan Robinson]

What's this going to change about pcars and its great community?

Oh and Nathan here is a tip to show you how fair I am. Don't use real feel or leo for endurance racing.

I dont use it in my install for driver swap series because i know it can cause issues. My install for 2 hour series has real feel tho, should i just not use it at all? Thank you for the tip.

 

[Mapu]

I'm just a "wannabe", so what should I tell you, that you don't know yet. Also, it is not the rfactor sub-forum.