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Race #7, Germany: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Kris Cobb, Aug 20, 2014.

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  1. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    Post-race Checks

    Artyom Aslamazyan (5.00)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Borja Garcia (3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Daniel Bida (3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Not Submitted
    Launch Control R1: Not Used
    Launch Control R2: Not Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for not using Launch Control. Disqualified for Feature and Sprint Race, no log files.

    Daniel Kiss (4.25)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: +30 Second Penalty, Feature Race, Incident #6. Official Warning for Incident #6.

    Danny van der Niet(3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Fabrizio Gobbi(3.25)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Giordano Valeriano(3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Jiri Toman(4.50)
    Q1: Cut
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Back of Grid for Feature Race Round 8 for Incidents #1 & 2. Official Warning for Cutting, Incident #3. -0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #8.

    Jonny Simon(3.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: +60 Second Penalty for cutting, Feature Race, Incident #4. Official Warning for Incident #4. -1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #11. -1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #12.

    Marco Conti(0.75)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Martin Hodas(5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: +30 second Penalty, Sprint Race, Incident #14. Official Warning, Incident #14.

    Muhammed Patel(3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: +30 Second Penalty for cutting, Feature Race, Incident #5. Official Warning for Incident #5.

    Norbert Leitner(4.75)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Patrik Holzmann(2.75)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: "Virtual Rearview In Cockpit":false
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Disqualified for Feature Race for cutting, Incident #7. Official Warning for Incident #7. +60 Second Penalty, Sprint Race, Incident #13. Official Warning for Incident #13. Official Warning for Log File.

    Peter Helmbro(4.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Sebastian Dunkel(3.50)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: "Virtual Rearview In Cockpit":false
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for Log File.

    Thomas Mundy(5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:

    Thomas Satherley(5.00)
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control R1: Used
    Launch Control R2: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty:
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2014
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  2. Kris Cobb

    Kris Cobb
    Avid Chronic Racing | Team Principal

    Incidents

    Before going straight to the incidents verdicts take into account that there has been some rule changes this year regarding the penalty system and it may seem that penalties are harsher than previous years.

    This year with the introduction of the Safety Rating value every driver gets 0.25 SR for aclean race (2 Races per Weekend).
    That means that if a driver has a penalty of 1.5 penalty points he will be able to recover those penalty points doing 6 clean races (3 Race Weekends) while the previous years the driver had to do 5 consecutive clean races (5 Weekends) in order to “erase” his penalty points.

    Cutting/Extending Track Boundaries:

    Disappointed to see the amount of cuts. Again warnings were handed out IN ADDITION to any penalties.

    Incident #1
    Driver(s) Involved Jiri Toman
    Lap/Replay Time Q1 Lap 5 / 0:04
    Protest Description Jiri Toman cuts T1 in his Qualifying lap.
    Verdict: Cut. See Incident #2


    Incident #2
    Driver(s) Involved Jiri Toman
    Lap/Replay Time Q1 Lap 8 / 0:04
    Protest Description Jiri Toman cuts T1 in his Qualifying lap again.
    Verdict: Cut. Back of Grid for Next Round.


    Incident #3
    Driver(s) Involved Jiri Toman
    Lap/Replay Time Race 1 cuts
    Protest Description Jiri Toman cut 10%(4) of his laps in Race 1 and should be given a 30 second time penalty
    Lap 3 / 0:05 (T1) cut 1.18.921 1.19.790
    Lap 13 / 0:05 (T1) cut 1.18.099 1.19.653
    Lap 19 / 0:05 (T1) cut 1.18.861 ''
    Lap 34 / 0:05 (T1) cut 1.18.366 1.19.266
    Verdict: 4 cuts, 10% laps cut, no penalty. Official Warning.


    Incident #4
    Driver(s) Involved Jonny Simon
    Lap/Replay Time Race 1
    Protest Description Jonny Simon cuts over 10% of his laps, so he should get a time penalty.
    Lap 2 - T1, 0.04 cut 1.19.356 1.19.693 1.20.888
    Lap 5 - T1, 0.04 cut 1.20.276
    Lap 6 - T15, 1.13 cut 1.19.692
    Lap 8 - T15, 1.13 cut 1.19.924
    Lap 10 - T15 cut 1.19.907
    Lap 15 - T1, 0.04 cut 1.19.183 1.18.911 1.20.095
    Lap 16 - T15, 1.13 none
    Lap 17 - T15 cut 1.19.764
    Lap 24 - T15, 1.13 cut 1.19.797
    Lap 33 - T15, 1.13 cut 1.19.541 1.17.890 1.19.058 not faster
    Lap 37 - T1, 0.04 cut 1.18.881
    Lap 39 - T15 cut 1.18.927
    Verdict: 10 cuts, +20% laps cut, +60 second Penalty. Official Warning.


    Incident #5
    Driver(s) Involved Muhammed Patel
    Lap/Replay Time Race 1
    Protest Description Driver cutting/extending.
    L10 - T1 cut 1.19.532 1.18.982 1.20.167
    L14 - T15 cut 1.18.316 1.18.148 1.19.320
    L15 - T1 cut 1.19.055
    L16 - T1 cut 1.18.558
    L33 - T15 cut 1.18.015 1.17.308 1.18.468
    L37 - T15 cut 1.17.697
    Verdict: 6 cuts, +10% laps cut, +30 second Penalty. Official Warning.


    Incident #6
    Driver(s) Involved Daniel Kiss
    Lap/Replay Time Race 1
    Protest Description Driver cutting/extending.
    L12 - T15 cut outlap
    L33 - T1 cut 1.18.048 1.17.712 1.18.878
    L34 - T1 cut 1.17.860
    L35 - T1 cut 1.18.276
    L36 - 36 cut 1.18.442
    Verdict: 5 cuts, +10% laps cut, +30 second Penalty. Official Warning.


    Incident #7
    Driver(s) Involved Patrik Holzmann
    Lap/Replay Time Race 1
    Protest Description Driver cuts/extending.
    L2 - T1 cut 1.18.687 1.18.687 1.19.867
    L5 - T1 cut 1.19.162
    L5 - T11 n/a already cut on same lap
    L6 - T1 cut 1.19.213
    L8 - T1 cut 1.19.664
    L8 - T10 n/a already cut on same lap
    L12 - T1 cut inlap
    L14 - T1 cut 1.18.132 1.18.132 1.19.304
    L15 - T1 cut ~1.19
    L16 - T1 cut ~1.19
    L17 - T15 cut 1.18.878
    L18 - T1 cut 1.18.592
    L18 - T15 n/a already cut on same lap
    L18 - T16 n/a already cut on same lap
    L22 - T1 cut 1.18.950
    L24 - T15 cut 1.18.951
    L27 - T15 cut 1.20.199 no
    L29 - T4 cut outlap
    L30 - T1 cut 1.18.234 1.17.274 1.18.433
    Verdict: 14 cuts, +30% cut, Disqualified from Feature Race. Official Warning.


    Incident #8
    Driver(s) Involved Daniel Kiss, Jiri Toman
    Lap/Replay Time Race 2, Lap 4 0:26
    Protest Description Jiri Toman dives from way too far at the hairpin and then makes contact with Daniel Kiss who sustains suspension damage from the contact.
    Verdict: Toman dives into the hairpin. Kiss and Toman are not beside each other when Kiss starts to turn-in, thus it is Kiss' corner. -0.5 Penalty Points for Toman.


    Incident #9
    Driver(s) Involved Martin Hodas, Daniel Kiss
    Lap/Replay Time Race 2 - Lap 6 - T12 (Sachs) - 1:02
    Protest Description Martin was wide in T11 which allowed Kiss to attack him. Kiss closed the door despite Martin still being next to him, which caused damage on Martins suspension (turning to the left on straights).
    Verdict: Martin and Kiss are beside each other at turn-in point. Kiss must leave room. On exit, Martin pushes Kiss wide even though he had room on the inside. Racing Incident. No further action.


    Incident #10
    Driver(s) Involved Peter Helmbro, Leitner, Holzmann
    Lap/Replay Time R2 L17 T4
    Protest Description Holzmann comes up to pass me. I cover on the inside and I brake too late. Steer right to not hit Leitner. I get a penalty of 3 x 10 seconds stop and go.
    Verdict:


    Incident #11
    Driver(s) Involved Muhammed Patel, Jonny Simon
    Lap/Replay Time R2 / L18 0:29
    Protest Description Patel overtakes Simon, but crosses too close to Simon's front wing on his braking zone being the responsible of the incident with lost of time for both drivers.
    Verdict: Patel makes no sudden or unreasonable movement to block Simon. Simon causes the incident and causes Patel move offtrack. -1.0 Penalty Points for Simon.


    Incident #12
    Driver(s) Involved Muhammed Patel, Jonny Simon
    Lap/Replay Time R2 / L20 / 1:11
    Protest Description Once again, Patel is overtaking Simon but without respect to Simon's path.
    Verdict: Patel leaves plenty of room and also uses a generous amount of curb himself to avoid contact. Simon causes the incident and Patel loses a position. -1.0 Penalty Points for Simon.


    Incident #13
    Driver(s) Involved Patrik Holzmann
    Lap/Replay Time Race 2
    Protest Description Driver cutting/extending.
    L3 - T10 cut 1.19.320 1.17.987 1.19.157 n
    L7 - T1 cut ~1.18
    L11 - T15 cut 1.18.476 1.17.833 1.19.000
    L12 - T1 cut 1.17.768
    L13 - T1 cut 1.17.508
    L13 - T11 n/a already cut on same lap
    L14 - T11 cut 1.18.061
    L14 - T15 n/a already cut on same lap
    L18 - T15 cut 1.18.453
    Verdict: 6 cuts, 30% cut laps, +60 Second Penalty. Official Warning.


    Incident #14
    Driver(s) Involved Martin Hodas
    Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Lap 11 - T12, 1.00 Lap 18 - T12, 1.00 Lap 19 - T16, 1.13
    Protest Description In Race 2, Martin Hodas cut over 10% of his laps, as follows:
    L11 - T12, 1.00 cut 1.19.481 1.18.590 1.19.769
    L18 - T12, 1.00 cut 1.19.187
    L19 - T15, 1.13 cut 1.19.211
    Verdict: 3 cuts, +10% cut laps, +30 Second Penalty. Official Warning.
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2014
  3. Im at work atm, so I have no time to check it closer... but:

    "If driver has up to 10% illegal cut laps - no actions"

    So wtf it is with Jiri´s first +30 sec? he has exactly 10% of cuts :roflmao::whistling:
     
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  4. Godek received +30 seconds penalty for 3 cuts in Silverstone (31 laps race) and you didn't have a problem with that. :p
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2014
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  5. Really? loool :D
     
  6. The only thing that is killing FSR is, that guys like you post things like this public and not in private...
     
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  7. Than get the drivers together in private and do a protest at Mr. President. But dont blame anybody here.
     
  8. The problem is, nobody else wanted the job. I think Kris is doing a great job keeping things in order as well. And I'm sure there are things that he does well that you would struggle with yourself, which you don't notice at all from the outside, and take for granted. Do you want the job yourself? Sounds like you'll do a magnificent job. ;)

    If the rules are misinterpreted, it can be sorted out. As Patronic says, matters such as these can be sorted out in private. Mudslinging in public won't get you anywhere.

    It always looks much easier from the outside.
     
  9. It can be sorted out. We wanted it after Cobb´s mistake in GB race checks, but he rejected all our effort. And we were trying to solve it also in prive, with both Kris and JES. And result? Needless to continue...

    #OndrejForDirector :roflmao:
     
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  10. The rules must be followed on 100%, so I aggree with PM guys in this case and these penalties must be edited.
     
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  11. Hahahaha! Just spent 20 mins scanning through the replays of some of the drivers not protested for cutting and they cut more than those of us protested! Damm man is it too late?

    Won't mention any people or who's, but if anything I find this a compliment because it seems those protested and attacked are some of the elite drivers in ACE. So a nice and big ****ing thank you for considering me part of that group :D
     
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  12. I gave up last time because one could say it was a different interpretation of the rules. But enough is enough. I'm tired of this. Is it that hard to read rules properly? I mean, after that Silverstone's screw-up, I would make damn sure to make it right this time. But no. If you can't make one post race checks without any mistakes or misunderstandings, you should really retire from this position or rather FSR administration should find someone more competent.
     
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  13. Jiri, i think there are some rules which permit different interpretations, some are too vague, i think the main problem is there :)
     
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  14. I agree, but not in this case. Or do you think rule "up to - or more than" is vague? ;)
    If person cant judge correctly such a simply defined rule, how he can correctly judge rules, which actualy needs different interpretations?
     
  15. If driver has up to 10% illegal cut laps - no action

    I seriously doubt this rule has anything to do with different interpretations. You cut 4 times, that is exactly 10% in this situation which is logically up to 10%. It's as simple as that.
     
  16. Don't cut once then. If you want to be safe, that is. ;)
     
  17. Furthermore, the 2nd point of the rule states: "2) If driver has more than 10% illegal cut laps - +30 sec race time penalty ".
    Jiri did not have "more than 10%", so I don't think there can be any different interpretations here.
     
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  18. Yea, I guess that is the best thing to do when someone is simply unable to do his job.
     
  19. Why do you have to cut up to 4 times though? I'm one of the amateurs in pro and I did not even cut once.

    I do agree that the rules were applied incorrectly in this instance, but my point is, there is no need to place yourself in this predicament,

    Use it, don't use it. ;)
     
  20. You actually deserve more than 30 sec penatly for your bad behaviour.
     
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