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Race #4, Monaco: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by John-Eric Saxén, May 31, 2013.

  1. Here are the results from round 4.

    Adrian Rodriguez

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Alex Diaz

    PQ: Cut, T7
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: Start from back of the grid for hot lap cut

    Antonio Kolarec

    PQ: N/A
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Armando Morra

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: N/A
    Pitstops: N/A
    Penalty: N/A

    Bastien Gauthier

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Chris de Jong

    PQ: Cut, T7
    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: No log file from pre-qualifying. Virtual Rearview In Cockpit="0".
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: Start from back of the grid for hot lap cut. Warning for log infraction (1).

    Cyril Werdmuller

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Danny van der Niet

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: 1.0 penalty points for incidents #3,4

    Dimitri De Matos

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: Clean

    Eduard Mallorqui

    PQ: N/A
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Eros Masciulli

    PQ: N/A
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: 0.5 penalty points for incident #2

    Florian Colle

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: N/A
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Francisco Maldonado

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Cut, T7
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: N/A
    Pitstops: N/A
    Penalty: Start from back of the grid for hot lap cut.

    Kevin Russo

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Rearview = "0", Save All Replay Sessions = "0"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Cut, lap 34
    Penalty: Warning for pit exit cut. Warning for log infraction (1).

    Luka Oslakovic

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Contains no pre-qualifying
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: 0.5 penalty points for log infraction (3rd)

    Marco Conti

    PQ: Cut, T7
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: Start from back of the grid for hot lap cut.

    Marek Godek

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Martin Gosbee

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: N/A
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Nick Rowland

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Cut, lap 62
    Penalty: Warning for pit exit cut

    Petar Brljak

    PQ: N/A
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Rob van Starkenburg

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Clean
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Thomas Mundy

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Clean
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Ville Leppälä

    PQ: Clean
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: N/A
    Launch Control: Clean
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Zoltan Csuti

    PQ: N/A
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Clean
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A

    Zsolt Kabori

    PQ: Submitted after deadline
    Q1: Submitted after deadline
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Submitted after deadline
    Launch Control: Clean
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: Start from back of the grid for late hot laps. Disqualification for late log.

    Zsolt Nagy

    PQ: N/A
    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Clean
    Pitstops: Clean
    Penalty: N/A


    Incidents:

    #1 Starkenburg - Leppälä - Lap 1 T1

    Protest: Starkenburg brakes later than the others around him trying to go for a space that would always disappear. He pushes Gosbee to the left into Leppala's car hitting him and he keeps pushing them by letting the car slide when going over the curb. That caused the glitch to occur and cause a massive crash.

    Review: In view of the director Starkenburg had the right to enter the corner from the inside, as he held his line during the entire braking and did not enter the corner with overspeed. The incident is seen as a consequence of a three-car wide entrance into turn 1, from which none of the drivers can be particularly blamed.

    Verdict: Racing incident


    #2 Masciulli - Rodriguez - Lap 4 T1

    Protest: Unsafety return.

    Review: Masciulli runs wide in T1 and attempts to return to track while Rodriguez is approaching from behind. The move would have been perfectly ok, but Masciulli does not keep well to the left hand side of the track; he rather stays quite in middle. As a consequence, Masciulli's car was hard to avoid.

    Verdict: 0.5 penalty points to Eros Masciulli


    #3 van der Niet - de Matos - Lap 39 T10

    Protest: De Matos is side by side with van der Niet but van der Niet on the outside turns too soon and doesn't give enough room to De Matos, pushing him against the wall and giving him a lot of damage.

    Review: This incident was marginal. van der Niet could have given slightly more room on the entry, which would have avoided the contact between the two cars and hence probably also prevented Matos' contact with the wall. Either way, Matos did not have enough room on the inside.

    Verdict: 0.5 penalty points to Danny van der Niet.


    #4 van der Niet - Werdmuller - Lap 60

    Protest: van der Niet doesn't acknowledge Werdmuller who is about to lap him, for nearly 2 sectors.

    Review: According to article 9.1: It is the driver's, who is receiving the blue flag, responsibility to move out of the way, off the racing line. Backmarkers are obliged to give way to frontrunners at the earliest possibility. The rule does not specify the number of corners that a backmarker is allowed to hold a car up, but in this case the front runner was held up for approximately 10 corners, which can be considered too much.

    Verdict: 0.5 penalty points to Danny van der Niet.
     
  2. hmmmm...i dont understand..
    I sent the replays already during the race after on saturday...Please check again, I am sure I sent them in time.
     
  3. i send them as well but thanks for letting us know we have a back on the grid 20 hours before the race!
     
  4. pfffffffffffff
     

  5. You should be smart enough to know if you cutted in qualy or not.
     
  6. @ Zoltan

    Your log file was received Sunday 19th 18:47 GMT and replays Monday 06:10 GMT. Timestamps are from ftp server.

    @ Chris

    It's tough, but I don't want to argue about my decision this time as its not needed. There are no exceptions to how rules apply (that's not me being a bitch, but a common decision in all FSR categories to make life easier for race directors). In other words, penalties wont change if driver so wished.
     
  7. can you imagine being pissed off when u hear this 20 hours before the lights go out ? i could not see the cut because graphic detail didnt show it for me, its so minimal i had to hear it from a teammate that it is definately a cut. 20 hours before the race is a short period David and if u spend 10 hours on testing Q then its logical to get upset. Giving a back of the grid for the race after canada would be acceptable cause of the 20 hour notice before the race starts.
     
  8. alright i stop talking again sorry to waste ur time
     
  9. rules is rules but a 1 12 9 illegal lap vs a 1 13 1 lap i personally find a back of the grid for thsi too harsh as his pq lap was just to enter the monaco gp
    and he has clearly a lap legal that puts him easy into the monaco gp
    Now a punish for Montreal i don,t see reason to see it that black white

    Anyway if decision stands i have no more to say
     
  10. Atleast you should move back of the grid's penalties for the next race, Give them clean start of the race this time, because of late post-race checks. Edit: Is not only for cutting, there are people who missed the deadline with few hours and they received back of the grid too only a day before the race.
     
  11. On the other hand, if you don't establish clear rules, people will never learn. It's often the same guys who send files late or end up in trouble with the rules.
    Btw, there is a 28 hour timeframe after the race to submit files. If this is such a problem to remember, I suggest you submit your files straight after the race.
     
  12. 8 guys have a back of the grid, how will the running order be decided ? since in australia i had to start 13th but because you did not noted my times i had to start 16th, in bahrein lost 2 places as well for the same reason, we are all from flesh and blood dont think i want to tell you something but what happens on this grid ?
     
  13. "I didn't have log file, so i don't know how did they that arrive... I sent the replays on the 18th, i can show you a pic about it, that's not my failure if the FTP shows it wrong.. I sent them in email."
     
  14. I think it's on order in the drivers' championship.

    I think it's on order in the drivers' championship.

    My purpose is not to cause controversy, much less, but why in the other categories it takes so little time in the race-checks, and the WS, which is the first to be run, it always takes so long?

    Again I repeat, it is a question without malice, but strikes me and let me know the reason if possible.
     
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  15. You are correct. The reason for this confusion was that you submitted the files by e-mail which Mikko then uploaded to the FTP for me. This made it look like the files were received too late on the FTP. I assume reason why you didn't use file submit tool was that you didn't have a log file to send, so the tool did not work. In future to avoid confusion, always explain why the file submit tool didn't work in this thread. Penalty removed.
     
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  16. Thank you for your understanding!
    In the future I will use it the way you wrote it.