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Race #14, UAE: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Mikko Puumalainen, Oct 29, 2013.

  1. Mikko Puumalainen

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    The appeal deadline is Friday, November 1st @ 00:55 GMT. For appeal instructions please read this thread: COA Instructions

    Jeffrey Rietveld

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 33, 45 Cut (2nd time)
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: +30s added to race time for Incident #2, 0.5 Penalty Points for pit exit infraction

    Bono Huis

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 33, 45 Cut
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for pit exit infraction

    Atze Kerkhof

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 32, 44
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Jack Keithley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Wrong race number set in manager (#15), Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 20, 32, 43
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Ivar Kalamees

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 20, 32 Cut, 43 Cut (2nd and 3rd time)
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for pit exit infraction

    Martin Gosbee

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A - didn't set a laptime
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 24, 34, 44
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Eduard Mallorqui

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 9, 30, 42
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Gergo Baldi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 24 Cut, 46 Cut (2nd and 3rd time)
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for pit exit infraction

    Lee Morris

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Save All Replay Sessions="0"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 20, 30, 42
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for log infraction

    Dian Kostadinov

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A - didn't set a laptime
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 20, 41
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Philipp Puschke

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 42
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Zuhaitz Cabo

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 19 Cut, 31 Cut (5th and 6th time)
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for pit exit infraction

    Blair Disley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 14, 26
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Alvaro Torres

    Q1: Cut exit of T20
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 40, 52
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Back of the grid for Q1 infraction

    Giuseppe Marconi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 29, 34, 44
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Marcel vd Linden

    Q1: Wrong file sent (Singapore Q1 lap)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 22, 34 Cut
    Tire Rules: DNF
    Penalty: Back of the grid for Q1 infraction, Official Warning for pit exit infraction

    Eros Masciulli

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 1, 15, 20
    Tire Rules: DNF
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #1, 3.0 Penalty Points reached = License revoked

    Peter Helmbro

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 7, 19
    Tire Rules: DNF
    Penalty: N/A

    Robert Rudholm

    Q1: Started from the back of the grid
    Q2: N/A
    Log: No files sent
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 6 Cut
    Tire Rules: DNF
    Penalty: Disqualification for log infraction, Official Warning for pit exit infraction

    Antonio Kolarec

    Q1: Cut exit of T3, T20
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 15
    Tire Rules: DNF
    Penalty: Back of the grid for Q1 infraction

    Zoltan Csuti

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A - didn't set a laptime
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    Tire Rules: DNF
    Penalty: N/A
     
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  2. Mikko Puumalainen

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  3. Chris de Jong

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    aaaaaaand its gone
     
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  4. David Dominguez

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    You forgot to highlight the next sentence.
     
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  5. David Dominguez

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    Also you can be happy, as thanks to that "interpretation" rule, Bono doesn't have a penalty as well :D
     
  6. Nick Rowland

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    If cutting is open to interpretation then that rule/regulation needs heavy revision for much firmer wording, cause that just can't be the case. That creates far too much flexibility in the rule and blows it wide open for argument.
     
  7. David Dominguez

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    The interpretation has been always the same for years.
     
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  8. stop

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    Rietveld didn't even gain an advantage from that, in fact if anything it cost him time so why's he penalised?
     
  9. Mikko Puumalainen

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    Certain team manager is just too dumb to know when to keep their mouth shut. For anyone with a normal level intelligence, you can see that there's nothing up for debate regarding cutting rules.
     
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  10. Nick Rowland

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    Hang on Mikko though, that lap can't be deemed cut then because he's lost time and therefore will not have broken the 101.5% rule.The two other laps were clean and S1 would have been quicker than when he ran wide to what is deemed as a "cut".

    A cut would have to be FASTER than 101.5% of the rule. Well that clearly isn't cause he's lost time to the two laps previous.

    The only way this rule would apply is if he has cut somewhere else on the same lap.
     
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  11. Mikko Puumalainen

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    I don't think you understand what the 101.5% means here.

    If we look at Jeff's last stint for example: his fastest lap is 1:39.346

    here's how the calculation goes: 99.346 * 1.015 = 100.836

    So every cutlap in his last stint which was slower than 1:40.836 would've not counted as a cutlap.

    The way you guys are apparently interpreting this rule means that he could cut as long as he doesn't improve his clean laps by more than ~1.5s, which would be ridiculous.
     
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  12. Mikko Puumalainen

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    Well we know how much you like going both ways.

     
  13. Nick Rowland

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    But how do you then deem the term "cut" as gaining an advantage? Cause technically everyone could cut and just stay below 101.5% of the delta lap time.

    A cut would need to be deemed as gaining an advantage. But what advantage has been gained running four wheels over the curb and actually losing time?

    (Not having a go, just want to understand, Ondrej will hate me for PC)
     
  14. Mikko Puumalainen

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    The rules say any cut is an advantage as long as it's not slower than 101.5% of the fastest lap of the stint. This is to enforce the drivers to stay within the track limits.

    It's not worth to keep legally cutting if you lose ~1.5s every lap because of it.
     
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  15. Nick Rowland

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    OK, thanks for explanation
     
  16. Dmitry Zaharov

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    Congratulations to Bono!

    ... I wonder why i'm first to say that :geek:
     
  17. Dian Kostadinov

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    PM started this war, and now they will be eaten. Many hypocrites here, 3-4 rounds ago, remember who sent the protest against Simoncic and and then he was penalized.

    P.S. I also don't agree with this rule. In our league if you cut somewhere but after that if you lift up the gas pedal for a second will be okey, but here if you start to practice penalize cutting in one way, continue to do it on the same way till the end of season, don't change rules every race how you want and that's why I agree with Mikko.
     
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  18. Dian Kostadinov

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    Also wanted to mark that I don't agree with pit exit infraction to be penalized only with License points.. In real F1 they give drive through penalty where they loose 10-12 sec. Here I can close the door to someone on the track and to be penalize only with 0.5 points. I think should be 0.5 + 10 sec. time penalty.
     
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  19. Eros Masciulli

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    Only 2 things:
    - In WS I had same accident with Rowland, that lost braking point attacking another car going very longer than what I did here with Disley, and that was 0.5 points, here is 1.0 I don't know why..
    - In this championship, I lost almost all my points with accidents with Disley, and every time I say that I can't see him because I see him lagging a lot every time. It is not a casual thing if I crash only him every time..in the replay is clear I see him, I brake hard also going on right side to avoid, but after his cars start laggin, I came back in my line because I didn't see and hit him (you can see the replay). He also did not a normal line in that corner and that didn't helped a lot, this is just to say what happened.
     
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