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Race #08, Spain: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Mikko Puumalainen, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. The appeal deadline is Thursday, August 9th @ 13:25 GMT

    Morgan Morand

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 22, 33, 45
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Rasmus Tali

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 8, 18, 28, 38, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #4

    Jack Keithley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 20, 30, 39, 48 Cut (1st time)
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Official Warning for pit exit infraction

    Yannick Lapchin

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 22, 34, 46
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #1

    Gergo Baldi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 9, 19, 28, 38, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Blair Disley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 8, 18, 28, 38, 48
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Petar Brljak

    Q1: N/A (started from the back of the grid)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 23, 34, 46
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment (2nd time)
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for late GPCOS comment

    Patrick De Wit

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 12, 24, 36, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jim Parisis

    Q1: N/A (started from the back of the grid)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 22, 34, 46
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #5

    John-Eric Saxen

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 7, 17, 28, 38, 48
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jeffrey Rietveld

    Q1: N/A (started from the back of the grid)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 22, 33, 45 Cut (1st time), 46
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Official Warning for pit exit infraction

    Peter Varga

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 9, 19, 28, 38, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #2

    Giuseppe Marconi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 14, 28, 42
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jaakko Mikkonen

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 23, 35, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Michael Francesconi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 22, 34
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Sebastiano Filosa

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 21
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Eros Masciulli

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 2 Cut (1st time), 17 Cut (2nd time)
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for pit exit infraction

    Markus Hoffman

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 13
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Stefan Kanitz

    Q1: N/A (started from the pit lane)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: .tmp log
    Launch Control: N/A (started from the pit lane)
    Pitstop: Lap 11
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Marcel van der Linden

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 13
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment (2nd time)
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for late GPCOS comment

    George Chatzipantelis

    Q1: N/A (started from the back of the grid)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: No files
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 1
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment (4th time)
    Penalty: Disqualification for no log file, 0.5 Penalty Points for late GPCOS comment, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #3

    Jonatan Åcerclinth

    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used (stalled)
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Eduard Mallorqui

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment (1st time)
    Penalty: Official Warning for late GPCOS comment

    Thomas Cooke

    Q1: Wrong file sent (Warmup hot lap)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Save All Replay Sessions="0"
    Launch Control: Not used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Back of the grid in the next race for qualifying infraction, Disqualification for LC infraction, Official Warning for log infraction
     
  2. Incidents:

    #1
    #2
    #3
    #4
    #5
     
  3. #1
    Driver(s) Involved: Rasmus Tali, Yannick Lapchin

    Lap/Replay Time: 1 / 3:45

    Review: Lapchin and Tali are approaching T1 side by side on the first lap, Tali is on the inside. Tali has his front wing in front of Lapchin's car as they start turning in for T1. Tali makes a slight error under braking, shifting down to 1st gear. This causes him to take an awkward line in to the corner. Lapchin meanwhile is taking a wide, but tight entry considering he knows Tali is there. They make contact in the middle of T1 and are side by side through T2, but with Lapchin slowly pulling ahead. As they exit T2, Lapchin moves towards the outside wall while Tali's car is still alongside, causing Tali to lose momentum and any possibility of challenging the position in to T3.

    Verdict: 0.5 Penalty Points for Yannick Lapchin (from the actions at the exit of T2)​
    Simply unfair :
     
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  4. lol.... Another instance of rFactor's amazing collision physics. Hence why I don't bother racing open wheelers too much, too blatantly ridiculous :D
     
  5. Seems like I'll have to deal with this every race now.

    Like I told your current/ex/banned/whatever teamboss, you should've left more space since you clearly knew he was there in both instances. Also the 1st incident played part in the decision making, since there you didn't give him space. While the contact in the 2nd incident caused you to lose 2 positions, you again chose to give zero space to him. Clearly Tali wasn't innocent in the incident, like I described in my review in regards to his final approach to the corner, thus explaining the 0.5 penalty points he got.

    Also I find it interesting that Morand supports you instead of Tali's side in this incident, considering what we know he thinks should be allowed on track (divebombs, pushing people wide and such). Perhaps you've finally seen the light, Morgan?
     
  6. Hallelujah. Thanks "God" mikko. You enlighten my poor soul with your penalties. You take me from Hell :coffee: ( sarcasm )

    No i'm supporting Yannick for the first lap incident.
    0.5pts is a hard penalty i think. Ok he closed " a bit" the door to tali, in front of his nose, that's all.
    This is a awful corner here. The tyres are very cold etc.
    And Lapchin at the moment he is penalized is far in front of tali. Tali just needs to throttle less, let pass lapchin and defend his position to baldi, because he couldn't pass here ( same as Varga/me incident at Monaco ). in T1, Tali ( i just saw this video ) tries to avoid to take the kerbs and goes to Lapchin car.
    So for me 1 "contact" for each driver = racing incident.
    We have virtual mirrors mandatory. Use them to see where are your opponents.

    For incident N°2 :

    Even if Yannick give 1 car lenght between his car and the kerb at T2, tali will "touch" his car at 80% sure. Because his braking was a bit timid and the angle he take the corner with the angle of yannick. Both will collide. Just missjudging, yannick didn't have the reflex with tali approaching to decrease the angle of the wheel. After the consequence does that Tali took an advantage. If Yannick keep his position. I won't punish them for this.

    Ps : Divebombs are not disallowed. if we success, It's just a risky move. but we need to have a very focused driver in front and he has the skill to stop his initial trajectory. And the majority of drivers continue their trajectory.
    I success some divebomb with Jim Parisis during practice at spa. and vice versa, because we look in mirrors the progression of the braking of the other driver. That's all. This is not difficult. This is racing. not utopic and robotic racing... or put 26 IAs and podcast the race directly :)
     
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  7. The car in front is not obliged to give any more than 1 car width of space if someone does a "moderate" divebomb like in the 2nd Tali/Lapchin incident.

    Or just follow the rules and everything will be fine (racing entertainment value included).

    I'm not giving up hope for you yet :)
     
  8. It's funny how is rFactor undersestimated so often, I bet it's again modder's fault and not the game.
     
  9. Well, I haven't seen a mod where wheels can interlock and where the "Space-wrap nose-cut" is not possible so... :cautious:
     
  10. I would swear that someone has told earlyer this year that the collision model for this mod was made more lenient with as result that its clearly visible now that cars can go little trough eachother.:D
     
  11. Surely there are mods with good collision models, but I'm afraid 95% of them are just copy-pasted from other mods.

    Not sure what do you mean.
     
  12. To be clear, here are thoughts :

    For 3rd lap incident I left 1/2 car space on purpose. It was intentionnal, because for the first 3 laps Rasmus did some divebombs (moderated) that I avoided. This time I wanted to show him that I can defend more agressively, but he didn't have time to avoid me. There I think it's a racing incident, though I lost 2 places cause of a divebomb. I took a risk by leaving not enough space, but again it's because Rasmus attempted sometimes to overtake me with late braking, earlier in the race.

    For the first lap incident in my opinion I leave enough space (more than one car width counting the kerb, that we often drive on in race). There's a contact, because as you said Mikko, Rasmus shifts down one time too many, loses grip on the rear because of this, and is forced to keep on a straight line while entering the curve so we collided. After this I'm pulling away, not "slightly", but with 1 car lenght in the exit. Also you see in turn 3 Rasmus attempted a divebomb already, but not succeded.

    Really it's not a problem having a penality, it certainly is one of the first "on track" penality I get this year, and it's a very light one, with no consequence. I really hesitated posting the video on the forum because it's like fighting for nothing. But I wanted to show something that is unfair to me (also because some of us are in vacation and have some time to kill... :) )
     
  13. Quote from John Eric in another discussion we recently had, not meaning anything with this though. Just answering the question wether it was a mod problem or rF problem that you questioned thats all.

    But tbh it doesnt matter much anyway, drivers should get some more respect for eachothers as this is an ongoing discusion for years now with drivers that keep trying to overtake in impossible ways. And for those who dont agree with decicions made can take the official route.
     
  14. In my opinion both of the incidents were caused by not leaving no room for me.
    I was furious after race also because you blocked me in q1 on breaking line while you were on an out-lap and then in race leaving no room and damaging my car (probably yours too).

    "Dive bomb into T3" I was fighting with Baldi as you can see and it had nothing to do with overtaking you.

    Please use your mirrors in Q and in races next time.
     
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  15. Appeal #1 (Incident #1 - Lapchin vs. Tali)

    Note: While Lapchin's 0.5 penalty points were converted in to an Official Warning, this is Lapchin's 2nd Official Warning and will still count as 0.5 penalty points.

    Appeal #2 (Incident #4 - Tali vs Lapchin)