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Race #07, Hungary: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Mikko Puumalainen, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. The appeal deadline is Thursday the 19th of July @ 16:00 GMT.

    Morgan Morand

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 22, 34, 46, 57
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: +5s added to race time for Incident #2

    Bono Huis

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #2

    Jeffrey Rietveld

    Q1: CUT wide T4 exit
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 23, 35, 47, 59
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Back of the Grid in the next race for Qualifying Infraction

    Rasmus Tali

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 9, 21, 33, 45, 57
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jernej Simoncic

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 22, 34, 46, 58
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment
    Penalty: Official Warning for late GPCOS comment

    Jim Parisis

    Q1: CUT wide T4 exit
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 22, 34, 46, 58
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Back of the Grid in the next race for Qualifying Infraction

    Martin Gosbee

    Q1: Started from the back of the grid
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 22, 34, 46, 58
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Eros Masciulli

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 14, 28, 42, 56
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    John-Eric Saxen

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 7, 17, 28, 38, 49, 60
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Blair Disley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 12, 25, 39, 55
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Muhammed Patel

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 12, 24, 36, 48, 59
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Giuseppe Marconi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 13, 27, 41, 55
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Gergo Baldi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 9, 22, 35, 47, 58
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Patrick De Wit

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 22, 35, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Peter Varga

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 20, 33, 41
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jack Keithley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 10, 22, 33
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    George Chatzipantelis

    Q1: Started from the back of the grid
    Q2: N/A
    Log: No files
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 1, 13
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment (3rd time)
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for late GPCOS comment, Disqualification for no log file

    Sebastiano Filosa

    Q1: Started from the back of the grid
    Q2: N/A
    Log: .tmp log
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: No penalty for .tmp log because of DNF

    Yannick Lapchin

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Ville Leppälä

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Fredrik Nilsson

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Raino Room

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jonatan Åcerclinth

    Q1: Started from the back of the grid
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: DNS
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Late GPCOS comment
    Penalty: No penalty for late GPCOS comment since DNS

    Stefan Kanitz

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A
     
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  3. EDIT: I dont know what to think now coz i hadnt saw the Mikko's video while I was posting my last post.. Maybe stewards had the right to punish Morgan and maybe they dont... This is very questionable move from both drivers . .

    Cheers , Milan Radivojevic
     
  4. koekoek
     
  5. Great job to the race director again
     
  6. i'm taking from your words : "Huis makes an aggressive weaving motion towards Morand's car"

    This isn't the same incident as masciulli and kostadinov in china ? not the same "result" ( eros got it ) but the same spirit ?
    Well, i won't avoid him next time, crash together, maybe the decision will be a bit more accurate ?
    but DQ huis will be a crime.... so i let you think about it.

    Not because i'm against huis, we talked good together, but it's the "protection" around him which make me sad for the credibility of FSR. Like sepang incidents i can say.

     
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  7. Btw Bono, I do like Colibris :) (Or koekoekon ) :p Funny little bird :p
     


  8. Judge for yourselves, if you still think the same... wow
     
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  9. I can't agree with that Penalty also.
    Both are driving for the Championship and this shouldnt become like a silly game here.
    Bono and Morgan are competitors in the World Championship and both are respecting each other.
    The way how they driving against each other was by 100%, but it was not over 100%.
    It reached the limit and that was a spectacular driving from both drivers.

    But i don't understand why Morgan gets a +5 second penalty when Bono made after that also some strange moves around.
    Things should be neutral here...and that isnt in my eyes.

    Nobody crashed and no one had a serious damage on the car.
    I don't want to attack anyone who is responsible for this decision.
    No race has been ruined and it should become more exciting about the Championship fight at all.

    But maybe some people should start to empathize into the same situation and see it humanly..
    You can't make it right all the time when you are under pressure (both drivers), but
    i repeat it again..No race has been ruined.

    Regards~
     
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  10. Just to be clear, I never had the intention to hit you there. I was trying a ''dummy move'', I wanted to make you think that I was going for an inside pass, while I was actually planning for an outside pass. And indeed, you reacted by going more to the inside giving me a better line. You know that move, because I've tried it a lot of times on you already and you have done it too sometimes. So saying that you are avoiding me isn't very honest. I thought I could make that move, I thought I was further behind you but obviously I was not. We made visual contact but no real contact thanks to the faaaantastic rF collision model.
     
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  11. I agree, It was a neutral incident, personally I think both drives shouldn't be penalized, Morand and Huis had excellent drivers up to 70 laps and it feels wrong for crucial championship points being decided by a split second mistake from both drivers.
     
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  12. To further my point, it looks like good position fighting to me, just what I'd expect from championship rivals in a race.
     
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  13. I wasnt planning to make any comments on this but i feel i should, and this is not to backup Morgan because he is my team m8 but more that i feel neutral decision should be made.

    EDIT: Dont want to offend anyone, sorry for that.

    In this case i see 2 agressive drivers, Bono squeezing Morgan on entry of the corner and Morgan on exit vice versa. But im totaly with Markus on this one that if you decide to penalize both, that it has to be a even penalty and not like this lame penalty taking away a win while there was no one or other who deserved a harsher penalty.

    Ofcourse there are official routes to take, Admin has decided and GS can apeal the admins decision and see what the other judges think about this.;)

    And keep this a nice disussion please guys, im sure people will see it differently and have different opinions.
     
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  14. Lacking transparency in what?
     
  15. I wasnt allowed to race a certain race because i forgot about allocation np my own mistake yet in Silverstone some other driver did the race (grid1) who had also a late allocation. I never told you about it was just wondering if you would notice, just small things now and then.

    Not here to make war just wanna have some fun races and expecint everyone to be fair to eachother thats all.;)
     
  16. Indeed it's not the same as Masciulli & Kostadinov, but I don't wish to dig that situation up again.

    If you look at the real video (server replay) there is no risk of contact even without your avoiding action, but Bono still got a penalty for doing the manouver. Obviously if there had been contact the penalty would've been a DQ and/or a race ban.
    I felt 100% comfortable with my decision making until reading this, since apparently you don't see any of your wrongdoings, even such blatant ones as Sepang. This makes me feel I was too lenient with my penalties.
     
  17. I probably know why Bono made that comment haha, we have a Dutch soccer commentator for pay tv and he is doing commentary for Spanish league, so often when Barca or Madrid is playing and they score he says Koekoek on television.:D

    Anoying commentator but funny lol.
     
  18. I don't get the relationship between what you say and lack of transparency. That would be a mistake from my part (which I'm not sure if it is, because I can't find who drove with a late allocation, feel free to give me his name privately :)). Same here with Mikko, you can agree or disagree with his view, but there isn't any lack of transparency, in fact he has explained it with detail, and he even made a video. That's far from lacking transparency. I don't want to make any war either, but we should select better our words.
     
  19. No need to discuss this further. We dont understand the different type of penalties for each driver so we will follow the official procedures as usual and make an appeal to the right place.

    No need to fight here in public, it doesn't help anyone. Let's move on.
     
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