Race 07 - BTCC super touring series. Good idea or not?

David Carter · Oct 13, 2011

I have just had an idea but I want to run it through with all of you first. What about running a BTCC series using the super touring mod and recreate the 1997 or 1998 season by doing the race calender (1998 season: Thruxton rounds 1 and 2, Silverstone rounds 3 and 4 etc etc and doing sprint and feature races).

All of the race tracks used in the 98 season can be downloaded (oulton park hasn't got fosters layout) so it's easy to recreate.

Please tell me you opinions no matter how good/bad this idea is.

David Carter · Dec 20, 2011

AndreasFSC said:
I like the idea, good luck David

Thanks, I might just need it

Martin Leyfield · Dec 22, 2011

I suggest use the WTCC87 cars plus the Volvo 850 from STCC2:

I suggest use every UK track possible (this avoids arguments of track selection).

I did a Race07 British GT champoinship over at 100Mbit and we used Croft. Here is my race video of it:

It seems Weissbierbude don't think Scotland is in the UK (they have it in a separate link from their UK circuit list).......
http://www.weissbierbude.de/component/option,com_gtlreporter/Itemid,48/Mode,tracklist/lang,en/?sortby=*&charfilter=*&location=Scotland&limit=10

Here is Thruxton (again from 100mbit British GT)....

Here is Donnington.
At 0:16 in H-Bomb's video I take out one of the owner-admins (oops)

Same incident at 0:14 in my video and at 4:14 I use reverse gear to avoid the tire wall which is directly underneath the camera man.

Chris Shepherd · Jan 5, 2012

Hey guys, if its not any trouble could someone please explain to me what the deal is with things being legal to use as such. Im sure once you explain I will totally understand but the way I see it at the moment is that if a track has been converted to work in the RACE SERIES then why cant we use ?? This would be the ultimate for me , a FULL BTCC , all tracks in the same order as a certain season/year. AWESOME

Thanks in advance.

UMC 22 · Jan 5, 2012

It's really very simple.

Games and all of their content are copyrighted material. In order to use that material you need to own a license to do so, which you get by purchasing the game. If you then release the game or any of it's content for people to download and use without buying it themselves, then you are breaking the law. The one and only way it is legal is if you have full permission from the copyright holders.

Many of the tracks released for the Race series have been converted directly from other games such as the Race Driver series. This has been done without the express permission of CodeMasters, who own the copyright. Therefore, the tracks are illegal and may not be used, uploaded, or linked to anywhere on RaceDepartment.

(Note: Race Driver and CodeMasters were just examples. The same applies to almost every game and copyright holder.)

Chris Shepherd · Jan 5, 2012

Hi Ross and thanks for taking the time to reply.

I totally understand that mate. I should have been more clearer. If certain sites , such a NO-GRIP RACING have allowed people to upload such tracks ..... ?

Or it just that , certain sites policies to use these tracks are different. Obviously RD's choice being the correct one.

Thanks again Ross and forgive me for being so dopey. haahaha

UMC 22 · Jan 5, 2012

Chris Shepherd said:
I totally understand that mate. I should have been more clearer. If certain sites , such a NO-GRIP RACING have allowed people to upload such tracks ..... ?

I don't know what No-Grip's policy is with regards to illegal content. Some communities simply don't care, others claim to but don't properly enforce their own policies. Either way, content appearing on one or multiple other sites doesn't make it 'ok' to download and use.

If it's illegal then it isn't welcome here.

Chris Shepherd · Jan 5, 2012

Kool man, thanks for clearing that up Ross. Basically , it'll never happen.

Martin Leyfield · Jan 9, 2012

The most recent Mini Friday was at Mossport and I think this was originally converted from the Mostport that was included in the Papyrus Grandprix Legends game. Watkins glen is another one. However, both of these have had lots of tweeks and changes (and I think were converted via GT Legends or GTR2) so I am not sure if there is still binary code that matches.

The up coming Sachenring67 Retro event is definitely kosher because that track was written by a Grandprix Legends track builder and not papyrus.

My view is this:
1. It's possible to copywrite a real life circuit or vehicle to prevent it being simmed for commercial gain.
2. If binary code has been ripped from one game to another then that is in breach of copywrite.
3. It's not possible to prevent, via copywrite, a real life racing circuit or car from being simulated as a non commercial add on to a game.

For example the Race07 GTL_1.3 mod contains 3d models identical to those in GT Legends and does not do a GT Legends CD check so it should not be used but if it had been written from scratch and the 3d models were a bit different then it would be okay. It would be even more okay if it was not called GTL mod and was based on a different year of the FIA historic GT and touring car championship.

Going back to the original subject there are plenty of British circuits that do not contain code from other games so we should still be able to have a British championship. We just need to list the available circuits and cars.

Maybe close this thread and make a new one for a British GT2 Championship and include the F430 (from the mod Porsche 997 RSR & Ferrari F430 V2.1) or for front wheel drive fans maybe use the Clio Cup or the new Fiat 500 Abarth mod.

Robert Wiesenmüller · Jan 9, 2012

The super touring cars are definately legal - because Andreas has built them from scratch. And they are great!

There are also the STW 97 pack from Pat and the STCC 00 pack with some different models in.

For circuits, we can drive Brands Hatch, Donington and Silverstone for sure, they were used in RD leagues. Thruxton was used in rFactor so there should be a way too. It might be a better idea to have a small calendar anyway, so it can easier fit into the other leagues and events here. And let's not forget, there was not only BTCC, but also STW (Hockenheim, Nürburgring, Norisring, Spa, Zolder, Salzburgring, A1Ring, Oschersleben, Sachsenring), Italian series, French series, Spanish series, Swedish series, even American and Japanese. They even drove on Macau.
So if we could go for a six-round-league with, lets say (just an example), Brands, Donington, Spa, Enna Pergusa, Hockenheim, Silverstone, that would offer good variety and all tracks were raced with Super Touring cars. Pretty sure the league would have to be on a weekday though, with all the other leagues running.

For the organization, you would definately need someone from RD in the organizing crew for servers, results. I am not an admin or mod but I have experience with organizing leagues, and if time allows I would help for sure. I can't say no to Super Touring!

AndreasFSC · Jan 18, 2012

That would be so cool

Some online races could give some good feedback and help developing the mod further

And I have modelled and mapped all the cars myself, so the super touring mods are legal. Don't know why some people think they are illegal?

David Carter · Jan 18, 2012

Right this idea could take shape potentially, all we need now is someone who is a series organizer, a race calender and some drivers and we could have a blast from the past

Chris Shepherd · Jan 18, 2012

Lets get the ball rolling

Ivan Boskovic · Jan 18, 2012

If that league start I am in 100%

David Carter · Jan 18, 2012

Well It seems this is quite popluar, If anyone wants to run this league then feel free because I'm a terrible organizer and also my Race 07 dosent work now

Marco Bijl · Jan 19, 2012

Saturday, there is a meeting with all race staff. One of the topics of the agenda is the league planning for the commng time, so I will bring this league to the attention of the other staff.

No guarantees about the outcome offcourse, but I will mention it.

Robert Wiesenmüller · Jan 19, 2012

We could also try out these cars in the club events sooner or later. I don't think there were too many races with them, if there were any at all. In fact, I never drove an online race in them, only offline.

Mike Bell · Jan 19, 2012

Robert Wiesenmüller said:
We could also try out these cars in the club events sooner or later. I don't think there were too many races with them, if there were any at all. In fact, I never drove an online race in them, only offline.

there was a couple AAAAAGEESSSS ago with the V2 mod and they were quite fun

AndreasFSC · Jan 19, 2012

Think I need to patch the opel first, I think it accedently has an unfair steer lock advantage. Really hope for a super touring series

Marco Bijl · Jan 19, 2012

Send me the link of the revised version, and I shall organize a club race with them. Not saying it will be tomorrow, but I will do so

Mike Bell · Jan 19, 2012

Marco Bijl said:
Send me the link of the revised version, and I shall organize a club race with them. Not saying it will be tomorrow, but I will do so

yay