Race #05, Turkey: Post-Race Discussion

[Mikko Puumalainen]

Feel free to discuss the race in this thread, as long as it is within the forum rules.

 

[Lee Morris]

Watched it for 2 weeks in a row.. waste of time.. just huis dominating all time.. just too easy for him.. something is not right. will be tuning out shortly if he continus to pull away..

 

[Lee Morris]

Right thats me tuned out.. complete waste of time watching it.. broadcast looked great nice commentry but its a shame that it has to be like this... 10th to 1st in 25 laps.. passing cars like they are stood still.. pathetic..

 

[David Dominguez]

Watched it for 2 weeks in a row.. waste of time.. just huis dominating all time.. just too easy for him.. something is not right. will be tuning out shortly if he continus to pull away..

And what is your solution then ?

 

[Mikko Puumalainen]

From GPCOS:

Q1: 23.6 on my first lap, was pretty convinced that it would get me through to Q2
Q2: 24.5, wasn't too thrilled with this, but got a surprising 4th place.

Race:

Had a safe start, was surprised to see that the guys in front of me didn't pull away more than they did.

Bono caught me quite quickly, and having noticed that he passed 5 guys before me, I didn't fight him very hard to avoid losing time.

After making my pitstop I rejoined right in front of Bruno, and he was able to pass me at the end of the lap. I tried to push hard to stay within his slipstream but failed in the end.

I'm pleased with 5th place however, much better start to the season than last year.

Congrats to Bono & the podium.

 

[Lee Morris]

I understand it must be really hard for you to watch. You realized you couldn't take it anymore as a driver since you were nowhere near as good as top drivers, so you became a follower. Sadly it seems you can't handle that either as it's too much for your ego.

Its people like you which are the reason i left tbh, needed to get away from your attitude and just was wasting time driving round doing laps to get beaten by abnormal advantages.. i dont mind being beaten, aslong as its fair.. i know im not the best around its why i came here to see how good i was in first place so you dont have to tell me what i already know..

 

[Quintin Shinault]

I watched the race and enjoyed it very much, I was hoping Nillson would take P2, and there were some good battles at the back. Congrats to Huis that guy is very good!!

 

[Ben Phillips]

Lets not go down this road and pollute this thread with insults and unnessasary comments

My race:
Couldnt find a driver to cover karol so it was me or nothing.
Started last due to not allocating.
Start got away well and clean made up some positions.
Was foolowing Saxen for about 10 laps... I think if it was a different driver infront i would have attempted a pass, but i did not want to interfere with Johns race.
I started to lose tough with Saxen when Disley started attacking me! I defended well i think and he found it hard to pass me.
I was showing quite good pace throught the race. I caught and passed Foht just entering sector 2... He got a run at me out of turn 8 complex and tried to over take me into turn 12! There was no room and i got spun around and nearly stalled the car!.
Then i had a long battle with Parasis who had better topspeed but i was better on the brakes so could defend well.
I think i brought the car home on p13...not in the points but i did manage to stay in touch with the leading groups pace (except bono!!!!) running mid 25's in the last stint.

Hopefully Karol is back for the next race as 2 races in 1 day is exhausting!

 

[patrick de wit]

After a dramatic qualify p15
I had really no hopes for the race
Had an ok start and went after 2 laps form 15th to 11th i think
Then keithley made a mistake in the famous turn 8
Then i was 10th and was trying really hard to maintain this position
I had hard fight with Saxen,Disley,Tali
4 laps form end i was almost losing my final points position to a fast recovering Disley
We made a really hard battle very agressive from both of us but it was good fun
Really happy to scoring my 1st points in the World Championship this year!!!

 

[Jim Parisis]

"Q: My qual lap was not as good as I could put together so I ended up at the back of the grid.

R: My start was quite good. I gained some positions and then I gave good fights with some drivers. In the middle of the race I made my 1 and only pit stop and I accidently stole my engine! My team then restored the engine but I lost valuable time there. Then Ben Phillips made an error and we had a fight for a few laps. In lap 35 we had a hard moment as he changed his line to late so I had to react real fast there to protect my race. Last laps of the race I had the 2 stopper Allar Foht behind me. In 55th lap I was too busy talking with my team on radio and I spun the car in last corner and my race ended in this way."

 

[Atze Kerkhof]

gpcos:

q1: was ok. DId a q2 practice lap after and did a 1.23.8 on q2 settings, so was confident into q2.

q2: was a good lap, I saw Bono making a mistake in front of me, which distracted me from my own lap, so I lost 0.2 in the final sector and lost pole there.

R: beginning was easy, didn't want to take any risks and tried a pass on Mikkonen. He counteracted impressively and took back the lead. After that Nilsson was in my slipstream and on the straight he got next to me. Our cars collided and I had damage on the left side. After that I had massive understeer and Bono could quite easy make a pass on me. The understeer made me run wide in T8 and caused a big spin, losing a lot of positions.

From that moment I just pushed like crazy, trying to leapfrog some driver by pitting in lap 20. This didnt work out, coming out of the pit in traffic. In the free air I was able to drive my normal pace and even with quite a lot older tires and a damaged car I was able to do good laptimes. I know I'm up there, and one of these races luck will be on my side..

Grats to Bono and Jaakko.. again.. Cya next week

 

[Lukas Euler]

After seeing the broadcast I got to say.

This was very poor driving, by the most ppl. In front and in back. So much touching, I mean you always say, it's top class here. But if you look at this, you gotta start asking yourself, if that's true. Some don't care when overtaking if they touch others.

I for myself want to again, as I already did hopefully through Christian and gpcos comment, say sorry to Ernesto for hitting you in a totally stupid overtaking manouvre. Hope I did not ruin you race, that was totally noob style .

"Q Finally I got Q done in a good way, although in my Q2 lap I lost 3 tenthes in T1, still P6 was very good

R I dunno really what's up this year. Bad luck is striking me down every time. I was having some pc issues here in Turkey with a so far unknown reason.
Race T1 I had a lag and spun, after that recovering, I was already on P13 looking good for grabbing some points still, when my pc froze.
Although I already tried to get this through I want to again say sorry to Ernesto, who I touched in my way to optimistic and really stupid move. I'm really really sorry for that.

 

[EnyNX]

Well actually my car had all right side damaged after that, but I accept your apologizes. I hope, just like you said, to see more loyal driving around...a mistake can happen to everyone but it's more about "racing approach", so I agree. Just in the interest of the league of course, could never be personal as, at the moment, more than loyal people around, I'd need a car with 100hp more than the others hehe

 

[Dennis Hirrle]

From GPCOS:

"Considering I didn't do a lap the last week due to work, and switched to a slightly different setup rather late, I guess the result is ok.
For some reason I had no pace in Q2 and in the first part of the race, car felt a bit strange but I tried to make the best out of it. Stayed behind Bruno and David in the first laps, I saw I had no one behind me so I could afford to pit late and enjoy some lead laps. After the stop I rejoined behind Disley, but with the awesome Mod it's almost impossible to pass if you lack a tiny bit of topspeed. Passed him eventually in lap 47 and started lapping as fast as the leaders but it was too late, cruised home. Not a very entertaining race."

About what Lee said:
First of all we should all remember Bono went through the complete "school" of racing, by racing in the lower classes of FSR for a few years, and also for a team that wasn't a real top team, which always helps develop a driver because he needed to learn doing stuff on his own rather than just profiting from other drivers like so many think they can do.
Once you went through lower classes and made your own experiences you build yourself as a true racer. Additionally now he's in the best team with the best setup, so everything comes together, and of course (I don't need to mention), he's driving superbly.

One thing I have to mention though, it wasn't helpful that the league decided to increase the setup options again.
In 2010 we took a (slight) step backwards and reduced options and in hindsight I guess we had a pretty exciting season. Nowadays we have more options, which of course benefits the bigger teams as they have a bigger pool of fast drivers and can try and search for the infamous setup secrets at a faster rate. Especially we have more reliability options than last year, which favours Bono even more because of his smooth driving style.
As I'm experiencing myself, it's more difficult than ever to do a good performance with little testing, because there is so much you should need to explore in the setup before going to the race, and if you don't, and if you lack mod specific knowledge, you lose.
The thing is though, it's not the kid that is to blame. So all congratulations to him, he's doing a great job.

 

[Atze Kerkhof]

like Schumi, also Bono will be beaten... this season! It's not that he's particularly quicker all the time, he has just an amazing skill to stay out of trouble. Something were the other teams/drivers are working on

 

[David Dominguez]

One thing I have to mention though, it wasn't helpful that the league decided to increase the setup options again.
In 2010 we took a (slight) step backwards and reduced options and in hindsight I guess we had a pretty exciting season. Nowadays we have more options, which of course benefits the bigger teams as they have a bigger pool of fast drivers and can try and search for the infamous setup secrets at a faster rate. Especially we have more reliability options than last year, which favours Bono even more because of his smooth driving style.

Those "new" setup options are very easy to check if you know how to do it. And you know how to do it It's not a matter of having a lot of drivers, it's something of common sense, and with this mod I must say is quite easy.

 

[Dennis Hirrle]

Well David, it was just a minor thing anyway that I wanted to mention, trying to explain what adds to certain driver's and team's dominance. Earlier in Twister or with other teams, they profited the same way, also myself. So this is not to complain.
If you want to win in the WC, it's the tiny things that make the difference. And looking at what Lee wrote I'm unsure whether everyone including some of the more experienced drivers have understood that. It's not just about being a good driver, because everyone in the WC is, it's about a super team with a super organization.

Personally having a 60 hour week I'm currently happy about every lap on the track I can get, lol.

 

[Lee Morris]

i admit i am annoyed with myself more than anything i got in a fairly top team and still i could not beat thetop guys.. i know there is more to it.. the guys who are always at the top will win more often as they know the secrets.. of which they will tell you do not exist but if you knew before this season i did not know how to set my wheel up properly like a top team would.. that says it all.. i have never driven for a top top team.. thats why

But there is something wierd about Huis's car.. how easy it is for him.. i just cant accept it im sorry i just cannot.. can slag me off have a go but it just wont change my opinion im afraid.. i just cannot accept it.. like when schumacher dominated f1 he was accused of cheating its the way it goes...

 

[Ben Phillips]

LOL! I dont think Bono is cheating... most of his passes were made from others slight mistakes...i dont think i saw Bono do 1... execpt for q2 what a (in bono's words) NOOB lol.
Bono seems to be able to pass easily? maybe... But its more about not making mistakes whilst battling with others.
I dont think i saw him make and half hearted moves which cost time.
Any ways i hope he gets his tyres shot out by a sniper next round to try and even things up as its clear even a terrible qually by his standards cant stop the little alien lool.
Is Bono the new Huutu?????

 

[Lee Morris]

i wonder if he is huttu under a new name ? lol.. and i have never said on here bono is cheating i just cant accept it.. there is something he knows or they know to make this go quicker.. i never accused him of cheating here dont get me wrong.. its just so hard to accept.. like Kunchman said.. my ego takes over.. i hate loosing.. and for 3 years of it.. its hard toswallow watching too