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Race #01, Bahrain: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Eduard Mallorquí, Apr 15, 2014.

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  1. Check your actual status of warnings and safety rating of the season HERE.

    Morgan Morand (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Rearview Driving="0", Virtual Rearview In Cockpit="0", Upstream Rated KBPS="512", Downstream Rated KBPS="512"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings

    Bono Huis (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Rob van Starkenburg (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Martin Gosbee (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    David Greco (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Marcel vd Linden (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Not used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for Launch Control infraction

    Petar Brljak (2.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #6

    Carlos Martín (3.50)

    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Upstream Rated KBPS="378", Downstream Rated KBPS="3050"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings

    Jack Keithley (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Antonio Kolarec (2.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #13

    Jim Parisis (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Eros Masciulli (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Adrián Rodríguez (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Blair Disley (3.50)

    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Dino Paolini (2.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #7

    Patrick De Wit (0.00)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Upstream Rated KBPS="3562", Downstream Rated KBPS="3882"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #9, 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #10, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #11, 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #12 (0.00 Safety Rating = License revoked and Back of the Grid in the next race)

    Ivar Kalamees (1.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: 1.5 Penalty Points for Incident #2

    Dian Kostadinov (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Net Connection Type="4"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings

    Matt Sentell (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Ville Leppälä (1.00)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Net Connection Type="4", Upstream Rated KBPS="1000", Downstream Rated KBPS="1280"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #3, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #4, 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #5

    Giordano Valeriano (3.50)

    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Net Connection Type="4"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings

    Zuhaitz Cabo (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Gergo Baldi (2.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Net Connection Type="3", Upstream Rated KBPS="128", Downstream Rated KBPS="128"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #14

    Mark Aalberts (3.50)

    Q1: N/A
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A

    Peter Helmbro (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Net Connection Type="4"
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: Official Warning for .PLR/multiplayer.ini settings

    Luka Oslakovic (3.50)

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Clean
    Tire Rules: Fulfilled
    Penalty: N/A


    Before going straight to the incidents verdicts take into account that there has been some rule changes this year regarding the penalty system and it may seem that penalties are harsher than previous years.

    This year with the introduction of the Safety Rating value every driver gets 0.50 SR for a clean race.
    That means that if a driver has a penalty of 1.5 penalty points he will be able to recover those penalty points doing 3 clean races (0.50 SR+0.50 SR+0.50 SR) while the previous years the driver had to do 5 consecutive clean races in order to “erase” his penalty points.

    Also for this first race the following excel document has been used for all the incidents, but it’s subjected to future changes to try to improve it over the season.


    Incident #1




    Incident #2




    Incident #3




    Incident #4




    Incident #5



     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2014
  2. Incident #6




    Incident #7




    Incident #8




    Incident #9




    Incident #10



     
  3. Incident #11




    Incident #12




    Incident #13




    Incident #14




    Incident #15

     
  4. I didn't know that, when someone makes error and spin on the track, or sliding the car as Patrick did, he is the guilty one and you gave him 1.00. These penalties are ridiculous.
     
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  5. But who else is guilty then in that situation?
     
  6. Incident one review is so funny, I can't help myself but laugh.
     
  7. Maybe Jacks then. Patrick left ideal and clean line and the car behind, had to have something in his mind, that in his tires condition would be dangerous to take the corner from that spot. I would never blame anyone from them, this is just racing incident, one driver makes mistake, the next one can't avoid it. Both paid for it.
     
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  8. Funny to you perhaps, but it's a lot work and dedication to get post-race checks out this quickly, I can assure the director takes it very seriously. As we have the same complaints each year no matter who is WC director, I expect you to volunteer for next year then.

    Both cars took exactly the same line to that corner, there was plenty of rubber too. This spin happened because the tires of the other car was done.
     
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  9. Nobody cares how quick the post-race checks are out. The quality of the work is important I think, not how quick you get out them. Also is not Race Director's job to judge a driver because of his choice of strategy, I don't know if in the rules you can see point, "The driver must visit his mechanics when tires are gone". Why then Jack 15 laps couldn't pass him, when his tires are gone. You can do that slide even with NEW compound and then what will be your justification?
     
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  10. The problem is that there will not be soon anyone left to do post-race checks, due to the bad feedback they get every year, no matter if director was Mikko, me, Eduard etc. Clearly it's mostly a problem that has nothing to do with the director himself, but just "victim" drivers and teams that are disappointed, mostly for no reason.

    Of course it could be argued if this particular incident was worth a penalty, like with every other incident. I'll take no stance on it, I just pointed out the incident happened because of severly worn tires, it's normally a very easy full-speed turn with this mod. The director has quite free hands to decide it anyway, the rules only list some example cases.

    EDIT: Also as reminder, each WC incident can always be brought to COA for appeal. That way it's basically ensured each incident gets a fair decision.
     
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  11. I respect Eduard and everybody here in FSR, just I can't understand, what happens, Patrick's fault, even without good proof for it. Also for first race, it's a new sim, Race director had to be smoother to incidents but still he decides. I hope FTS will appeal these penalties and to see justice.
     
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  12. I can imagine the amount of work and appreciate what you are guys are doing.
    If the director takes his work seriously that doesn't change the fact that it is funny to me or that I may question some decisions. I didn't complain, did I? If I'd have complained you would have noticed it for sure.

    Just give me a go on this:

    Review: Heading into T11 Sentell is overtaking Rodriguez through the use of DRS, but as Rodriguez is on the racing line and the fact that Sentell has a tighter entry into the corner......

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    ....Rodriguez maintained his position around the outside.

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    ....Rodriguez maintained his position around the outside.

    [​IMG]

    Both parties could avoid the collision with Rodriguez leaving slightly more room on the inside and Sentell not going as deep into the corner. :O_o:


    Just to be clear I am not questioning the result (racing incident) of this incident nor am I taking favor here for anybody. I am not a member of any of those teams. It's just funny as I said.
     
  13. I just want to say 1 thing about thise whole story.

    In all racers heart, if u look at the incidents where Patrick is involved. If u then look at all the license points he is given.

    And when u keep in mind this is race number one.

    Do u need to revoke his license right away?

    This is still a hobby for all of us. Do we need to end Patricks season already for this?

    Especially incident number 11 and 12.
    But number 12 is very odd to give a 1.0 penalty to Patrick.
    Jack was already 15 laps behind Patrick, so he knew he had grip loss. Still Jack was really almost inside the rear of Patricks car at this point of the track. A point where several other drivers had problems to. The rear just snapped and no where to go for Jack.
    I know Jack is a good driver and he has fully my respect. But if u see somebody struggle under acceleration and sliding a bit. Then u also need to take care that u dont get caught by a car problem.
     
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  14. 50€ for one race, wow...
    #12... really? 1.0 penalty for that....:poop:
     
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  15. If Raikkonen had a slide in China 2012 because of his worn tires, and Alonso crashed at the back of him.
    Would Raikkonen be penalized because of this?

    Dont think so.

    And what are worn tires? Can u see it clearly when they are off? Do we need to pit at a certain % of tire wear?

    Then we better get a rule that says "Tire wear less then *% u need to make a pitstop, otherwise u get a 1.0 penalty point"

    This doesn't make any sense to me.
     
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  16. IMO I think the penalty De Wit received for the incident with Keithley was a bit harsh. It's basically like that he's been penalised for staying out too long on his tyres. He lost control and it was just unlucky that Keithley was there. Racing incident IMO, that was what my instant reaction was when I saw it on the broadcast.
     
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  17. Actually in F1 they do penalize driving errors and spins sometimes. For example Vettel got drive-through in Spa 2010 for spinning into button during braking.
     
  18. Yeah and as much as I dislike Vettel I thought that penalty was a bit harsh

     
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  19. Dat protest :O_o:
     
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  20. Yess, but 1 big thing with Vettel was that he was overtaking Button, while Patrick was in front of Jack.
     
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