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Race #01, Australia: Post-Race Checks

Discussion in 'Formula SimRacing' started by Mikko Puumalainen, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. The appeal deadline is Thursday the 11th of April @ 16:17 GMT, send your appeals to fsradmin@gmail.com.

    Bono Huis

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Jack Keithley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 19, 46
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #1

    Fredrik Nilsson

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 17, 45
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #7

    Dian Kostadinov

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Save All Replay Sessions="0" (.PLR setting)
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 25
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Official Warning for log infraction, 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #6

    Philipp Puschke

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 19, 45
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Yannick Lapchin

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 11, 26, 40
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Gergo Baldi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 20, 45
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Rasmus Tali

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 1, 28
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Blair Disley

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 9, 21, 33, 45
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Patrick De Wit

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 18, 48
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 1.0 Penalty Points for Incident #8

    John-Eric Saxen

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 18, 44
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Zsolt Nagy

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 29, 42
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Zuhaitz Cabo

    Q1: Wrong file sent (Practice session 1)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 29
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Back of the Grid in the next race for Q1 file submit infraction

    Moises Rondon

    Q1: Wrong file sent (Practice session 1)
    Q2: N/A
    Log: .tmp log, MercedesGP_main.mas mismatch
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 28
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: Back of the Grid in the next race for Q1 file submit infraction, Disqualification for .tmp log and mismatch

    Ivar Kalamees

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 21, 47
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Eros Masciulli

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 2, 12, 35, 47, 52
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Giuseppe Marconi

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 12, 42
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Morgan Morand

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: Clean
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 19, 46
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Marcel vd Linden

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: 0.5 Penalty Points for Incident #5

    Jernej Simoncic

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: Lap 4
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A

    Peter Varga

    Q1: Clean
    Q2: N/A
    Log: .tmp log
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: No penalty for .tmp log since driver DNF

    Ville Leppälä

    Q1: Started from the back of the grid
    Q2: N/A
    Log: Clean
    Launch Control: Used
    Pitstop: N/A
    GPCOS: Ok
    Penalty: N/A
     
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  2. Incidents:

    #1
    #2

    #3

    #4
    #5

     
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  3. #6

    #7

    #8

     
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  4. I see some strange decisions. First about my penalty against Lapchin, you typed it wrong, must be #6 incident. Second, does not matter whether i locked up the wheels or not, during the corner at the apex I am in my inside part of the corner where is ideal line, he cutted into me and touched. OK it's fine 0.5 points. Third, it is strange the decision where you didn't give time penalty to Nilsson. He won position by Lapchin after hit behind, Lapchin could finish upper in the standing, also Fredrik, wont be able to attack me if he lost more time behind Lapchin, where he was 1-2 secounds slower. I think that is all, sorry i am not angry in my tone, just want from Mikko one explanation about his decisions at all. Thanks.
     
  5. Yea it was Incident #6, I put #5 there accidentally. I edited it now. As for explanations, I gave them in my reviews.
     
  6. Ok, next time if I crash behind someone from PM or Twister, i will expect same penalty as Nilsson. Whatever I will have 1.5 points left. Good example give us Mikko.
     
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  8. Javier Alvarez

    Javier Alvarez
    www.positive-simracing.com

    Concerning "Log: .tmp log, MercedesGP_main.mas mismatch"

    I would appreciate if you could give additional explanation as the Jasco Spain car is a LOTUS, and we are confused.
     
  9. I can see from the manager log that the MercedesGP_main.mas file is different than the one on simsync. Either it has been edited or perhaps it was corrupted during the download, I'd suggest removing it manually (the exact location is: GameData\Vehicles\FSR2013\TEAMS\Mas\MercedesGP_main.mas) and then redownloading it with simsync. While it may not impact your driver's car directly, we still need to avoid having mismatches.

    The Disqualification is a result of the .tmp file being sent, it is only used in cases where a driver's computer crashes during a race and so the manager fails to write the proper .fsr log file on the harddrive.
     
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  10. Javier Alvarez

    Javier Alvarez
    www.positive-simracing.com

    Thank you for your explanation. We will proceed removing that file. However, if the disqualification is for the tmp, I kindly ask to revise this penalty, according to the criteria followed in other cases.
     
  11. One of your team mates had the same penalty for doing something quite worse (because one thing is misjudging the space given while being side to side, and another thing is braking 80m later), I don't know why do you think the RD is biased.

    On a side note, I hope some team managers will learn that you can only protest things that affected your team directly (unless you want to report constant cutting from some driver), at least 1/3 of the protests were simply invalid, and gives extra work for the director.
     
  12. You know what? I first needed to control myself, then wanted to reply to this but then again I'm thinking why on earth I should waste my energies on arguing on this. For surely I'd hoped other managers would have had the same control not to post "the religious truth" like "your teammates did something quite worse". Have to say I would never expect such a statement from David who I consider a very intelligent guy and "collegue".

    Instead of arguing, as always, I will simply follow the rules and appeal what I find a simply incredible post race report.
     
  13. Forgot to add the appeal details at the top of the original post, edited them in now.
     
  14. nobody gains or looses anything if i say my opinion but from a personal point of view i just have to say i personally disagree with the decision to give Dian a penalty. In my eyes one who wants to pass better have a plan b ready before overtaking, except if one is already in front which in this case was not the case. but in the end its a point of view, just hope we wont get DRS and KERS next year. Gr Chris
     
  15. Well COA is active since last season so deadline is Friday (72h) just to be precise to other owners who might want to appeal.
     
  16. I think that was pretty unofficial, as far as I know we are currently going with the secondary COA that is mentioned in the WC rule supplement.
     
  17. 7.2 The procedure: a team can protest to the WC Director for a race incident. The WC Director will make
    a decision, if the team does not agree they can appeal to Court of Appeal within 72 hours of the
    decision. CoA decisions can be appealed in accordance with the CoA Statutes.
    7.3 If the CoA is inactive for any reason, it will be the responsibility of the main Race Directors of the
    various divisions within FSR to handle these appeals. This temporary ”CoA” will have it's own rules
    and regulations:
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    Have to say it's some kind of hybrid as for sure appeals aren't handled by main directors but by three judges (so it's not the secondary COA) still I can't consider current COA as the pure one ruled by COA statutes.

    So I'd say president clarify please the current deadline if it's 48 or 72 hours. For me nothing changes actually as appeals will be submitted tomorrow but it's good thing to be estabilished.
     
  18. What do you call a plan b ?
     
  19. Pretty simple Yannick, when Dian was at the right side of the track and u on the left, as a driver u should know that he will never have a better exit speed out of that corner. So imagine yourself braking 5 or 10 meters earlier in order to get underneath ( passing him on the inside line ) him instead of wanting to overtake him on the outside.
     
  20. Chris, of course I know this manoeuver exists, but here it wasn't possible when entered in the braking zone. It's not a plan b. It's another plan you decide to adopt before the manoeuver begins.