Most here speak softly. Issues with 2.0 or iRacing in general are simply stated or questioned and then discussed in an open manner. I hope it stays that way. In other forums, iRacing's own in particular, it appears the concensus is that he who uses the most caps lock the most times will get the help he needs. I hope here does not follow that trend. I might be talking out of my backside since I have no NTM cars, nor do I have any of the new 2.0 content, but things seem pretty good overall. I guess I don't understand some of the things I've read, from iRacing now being garbage, to demand for restitution for all the hours of setups lost, to the NTM "not working" simply because people aren't driving it right. Let's take a step back, shall we? "The NTM is junk." Indeed, there are/were some official bugs. Umm...so? Although I'm kind of new to iR, I've been following it for awhile. One thing you have to hand to these guys, they do not throw out garbage just to get it out, and if an issue is found after release, they're sure not going to leave it, and you, hanging. Look how far it's come, from a few cars and a few tracks with pretty steep prices, no cautions, no repair...all got fixed. Be patient, fixes will come. It sure as hell beats the console's new policy of releasing what are esentially beta games to be fixed later via patches (if at all). "THAT'S NOT REAL!!" - This one's my favorite. Where to even begin, it gets thrown around so often. I guess to encompass all complaints of this nature - No. It Is Not Real. Why? Because it's not, well, real. But, it does a damn good job at replicating reality, and not all "unreal" aspects of iR are bad. As I wrote in another post, the SK's and Tour are pretty delicate in iR, much more so than their real world counterparts. But, while it can be frustrating when mild contact changes your car, it ends up having the same effect as SR and keeps the racing clean. In my race last night fighting in the top 3 and stuck behind a slower car, I probably would've gave him the chrome horn with a tough car. He'd probably wreck, maybe take me too, and any of the 4 or so cars that were somewhere close. I was a 4.70 D, what do I care about a 4X? But the Mods are fragile, and what ensued was lap after lap of a heart pounding tight rope walk on the edge of control that was more fun than some of the real world racing experiences I've had. That experience was the direct result of the lamented "unreality". As I've found with issues of this nature, really think about what's wrong and how wrong it is. Some "mistakes" have hidden treasures inside. Setups - This one took the cake. Someone was actually demanding money back now that his setups no longer work with the NTM. Plenty more expressed disgust saying "iRacing is ruined". Seriously? There's 2 setup guys, the cut and pasters who glean setups from fast guys, and the guys who enjoy and take the time to wrench on their cars. For the latter, this is a whole new opportunity to enjoy their craft. I'm no guru, but I like tweaking. The few that I have tweaked were written off as complete, now I get to do it again, feel that joy of doing something and having it work, seeing a tenth or two peel of the PB. As for the cut and pasters...um...just wait. It's no different then when you first started, sets will be available again. It's not the end of the world. I damn near spit Code Red out my nose when I saw one of the more prolific caps lock posters who was screaming "THATS NOT REAL" was also a guy losing his mind that sets would have to change. I just wanted to shake him. In the last 5 or so years of NASCAR, the COT came. Whole new setups had to be created because it was a ground up re-creation. Guys still found out how to drive fast. Some sets, like the ones that kicked the rear way out in early COT got banned, they had to again change their sets. Then the wing got taken away in favor of the old school spoiler, sets had to change. New tire compounds get implemented, sets have to change. The weather's different, it's a night race, sets have to change. Next year they're going to fuel injection and....sets will have to change. And through all of it, the good guys, Stewart, Johnson, Busch, Gordan, Harvick, they stayed good because they're RACERS. iRacing is no different. We got the NTM, sets will have to change. The good drivers with a good team (or good skill set) will still be good. If you're a good driver, you'll have a few growing pains and be good again. If your iRacing life depends on OTM, then OTM is not the problem. Changing sets is a part of reality, it was just too ironic that the Reality Brigade was also the most against having to do so. To conclude, this wasn't at anyone in particular here. Even the "I dont like it anymore" thread, for the most part, was a discussion, not a cry fest. I'm not exactly trying to change anyones mind; if anyone still wants to rant and rave here or elsewhere it affects me not, I'll still be driving and loving it regardless. I was just hoping this might soothe the pain of those here maybe feeling down about 2.0 or the NTM, maybe encourage another way to look at things. It just seems that if there are issues adapting, people should get together and figure out a new way of setting and driving, instead of sitting and seething. The sooner a group gets together to actually tackle the problems, the sooner the issues will pass, and he who does it first will likely finish in a similar position. /rant complete. Happy racing.