Mclaren P1

I think this one will pretty much wreck anything when it comes to laptimes.

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...i need to win the lottery.....
 
I do not believe it did 1:05 on road legal tyres, even on slicks it'd be impossible. Ron Dennis is obviously either lost, full of bullshit or actually thought the record was a 1:20-something from 10 years ago.
 
Rumor has it that P1 is only capable of 7min 4s on Norschleife right now and not under expected 7min target. Well, at least with Goodwin behind the wheel and it's not as extreme car as Zonda R is. It's still a road car. I wouldn't say it's bad, but I expected more. With a bit more practice or more Ring experienced driver. We'll see...

BTW 7min 28s for 12C.

And it sells well so far, that's good. Only cars reserved for EU aren't sold out.
 
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Naaah...

Thanks to Jalopnik for digging up more info from McLaren on this topic. It turns out that this slide is an official one from McLaren, but it is not an official time. Rather, it is part of a "mood board" as inspiration to the design team. Engineers are working on getting the P1 around the `Ring under 7 minutes, though, so this still may be a reality some day.
 
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That could easily have been to stay low.

I actually find this harder to believe,
"Remember how the McLaren P1 spent a whole day on the Nürburgring Nordschleife earlier this month? Well the rumour was that despite the clear track, the best lap time still wasn't significantly improved over the car's first appearance here. But a little bird has just told me that the incredibly-expensive P1's 'official' laptime is almost ready to be made public. [EDIT: A new source claims that laptime will not be made public as it's 5 seconds too slow!]
That same little birdy just told me that the revealed laptime will be 7m04s.

Seems others are thinking the same,

hello forum goers, i finally decided to join. Here are my thoughts:

A corvette zr1 on mspcs does 7:19 after having 2 hot laps, per the manufacturer (and a very good driver), compared to the p1 we see

-similar weight if anything the p1 should be lighter
-640hp vs 900+, huge advantage to the p1 that alone must be worth many many seconds on the ring
-zr1 has net lift, p1 has 1300 lbs of downforce, that must be worth many seconds. I've no idea how many, but downforce and aero is the whole game in real racing, isn't it? This must be worth 10 or 20 seconds. What would a viper without the huge rear wing and splitter of the acr run?
-the p1s tires i assume are slightly better
-the p1s brakes must be at least some better, and the downforce should mean significantly better braking
-drag down the big straight should be similar (i've read 0.34 for the p1 with the drs active)
-both cars have some neat suspension tech, but i can't believe that the zr1, which is fairly softly sprung and uses transverse leaf springs, doesn't lose something to the p1 with its mega-tech suspension in this area
-dct vs a manual must be worth some time

a dodge viper with no huge wing and 505 hp did car and drivers "lightning lap" in 3:01, a 600hp acr (wing, splitter) did it in 2:48. Thats 13 seconds out of a 3 minute lap for power and downforce, that would translate to roughly 30 seconds in a 7 minute lap.

From another angle, an lfa did 7:14... And the p1 with 60% more power, probably 10x the downforce, a more advanced transmission, less weight, better tires, more advanced suspension can only muster a 10 second (or 2%) improvement?

I don't buy it. A 7:04 would be shocking and disappointing in my view.

I think it´s a classical Formula One Q1-Q2 sandbagging.

The car pulls 2G on a skidpad. That´s not even when the car really starts to produce downforce (which is said to be at MP4-12C GT3 levels)
 
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I think they said it pulls 2,5G in corners.

It's all very puzzling and it doesn't add up. On the other hand, the MP4-12C wasn't lightingly fast around Ring too and its time was the same as Ferrari 458 (7:28). Top Gear track was different story and I think it was even a bit slower that they had expected.

Take these numbers with a pinch of salt, different sources:

The McLaren P1 can generate 1,320lbs (599kg) of downforce 'well below' its top speed, five times more than a 12C.To put that into perspective, the race-built 2000 Panoz LMP1 Le Mans car in its low downforce configuration produced 2000lbs (907kg) at 150mph.

Zonda R - Aerodynamic setups rage from a high downforce setting of 1,500kg to a 350kmh top speed setting.

The Enzo itself produces 775 kg (not sure about this) of downforce at 186 mph, and the FXX has improved it's efficiency by 25%.
 
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I was digging for some numbers and it's interesting when comparing Nordschleife lap times vs downforce:

6:47 Pagani Zonda R, 2000kg at 300 kph, 1500 kg (?) at 350 kph - weird numbers
6:58 Ferrari 599XX, 280 kg at 200 kph, 630 kg at 300 kph

6:57 Porsche 918 Spyder ______ ? !!!
7:12 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR __ 453 kg at 240 kph
7:14 Porsche 918 Spyder ______ ?
7:18 Porsche 911 GT2 RS ______ 35 kg at 200 kph, 140 kg at 330 kph
7:19 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 ____ 136 kg at ?
7:24 Nissan GT-R _____________ 80 kg (?) at 300 kph
7:24 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport __ 600 kg at 300 kph
7:25 Ferrari Enzo _____________ 775 kg at 300 kph
7:27 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 ___ 193 kg at 310 kph
7:28 McLaren MP4-12C ________ 100 kg at 240 kph, 120 kg at 270 kph
7:28 Ferrari 458 ______________ 140 kg at 200 kph, 370 kg at 290 kph


I've seen onboard of McLaren MP4-12C GT3 which seemed to be under 7 min when l don't take the other part of Nurburgring circuit into consideration.

Now I'm completely confused as it looks like the downforce itself doesn't tell you if a car is fast or not. One would guess that it would help you in faster corners. But it's just a piece of a puzzle.

If the P1 will manage a time around 6:58 as the 599XX did, that would be incredible considering 918 Spyder's lap time.
 
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