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Laser scanned ?

Discussion in 'rFactor 2' started by Eric Bergeron, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. Eric Bergeron

    Eric Bergeron
    Premium Member

    Hi,

    I am a beginner in simracing and there's a question I ask myself .....
    rFactor 2 is considered one of the best simulation, so why does not have scanned laser tracks? (I'm not talking budget here)
    To talk about a game as a "simulation" should it not contain high precision tracks?
    Are ISI tracks as accurate as scanned laser?
    thanks:cool:
     
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  2. JeffL

    JeffL
    Right on Brother, I hear ya, it's all good. Premium Member

    Traditional surveying is very accurate also. ISI also has a method they hold close to the vest.
     
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  3. Other considerations:
    You can't laserscan historic tracks. You can't laserscan fictional tracks. Some ISI & 3PA tracks make use of aerial LiDAR data.
     
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  4. Bram

    Bram
    Roaring Pipes Maniacs | #27 Staff Premium Member

    Odd, I always tell people that Toban, Mills Metro, Lienz and Essington are laserscanned too :) And will continue to do so just to make a point this whole laserscanned stuff is so overrated. It's not a requirement to have a good race simulation.

    There is a large group in the community that seem to have something against fictional tracks. I bet you that the majority of them actually thinks those awesome tracks are real life venues :)
     
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  5. fortyfivekev

    fortyfivekev
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    The simple answer re. RF2 is that laser scanning is expensive and ISI don't have the cash.

    If you are using simracing to train for a real motor racing career then laser scanned tracks obviously have some advantages. For the rest of us, I think the main benefit is that laser scanned tracks can seem more alive (surface-wise) than a lot of other tracks. As for fictional tracks, although some of the RF/RF2 tracks are fun there are so many good real life tracks available in the various sims now I really can't see the point.
     
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  6. High precision is relative to vehicle's speed and update rate of physics engine. The highest calculation rate any racing game physics engine currently uses is 400 updates per second (rF2, AMS).

    Simple math quickly tells you that a car going 150 mph (241 kph) will cover 0.17 meters each update. If you consider how shocks & springs work in sine waves, then you need about 10 update cycles to have a meaningful response. That implies pavement polygons shorter than 1.5 meters are useless and if speeds are higher (oval tracks), then the optimum value increases.

    Guess what? Aerial LiDAR point clouds are typically under 2 meter density and often under 1 meter density. UK has some coverage at 0.15 meter.

    Guess what else? The fastest monitors only update the picture 144 times per second and the typical monitor updates the picture 60 times per second. Which means you will never see all the physics going on.
     
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  7. A few of the ISI tracks are as accurate as laser scanned versions from other games. The best example for that is Atlanta Motorsports Park. I think Mores, Silverstone, Lime Rock, Indianapolis, Atlanta itself, and possibly Palm Beach and Sepang, are the ones that fit that category.
     
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  8. Eric Bergeron

    Eric Bergeron
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    It is a very good point i never realised !
    thanks for explanation. :thumbsup: