PC1 Is Project CARS a simulation? lets vote!

Mike85 · May 12, 2015

Hi guys!

The time has come and many sim fans have purchased and tested Project Cars already! So lets express our opinion about how ''SIMMY'' this title is!

The Thorn MJ · May 15, 2015

A difference between iracing (which isn't perfect also, but something real drivers call a sim) and PCars, is that Iracing will have a lot of real drivers active in the service, and PCars will see next to non.

Stig and Hamilton and Rene Rast are part of the PR machine. I bet you never heard of 99% of the real drivers promoting iracing, when they are active in it.

This "Simracing community" has dropped in level very steeply after the big downtime downfall of RaceSimCentral forums.

Please go on discussing about if this is sim or not. I gave my view on it, and I have nothing more to give in this discussion. I have made my point.

Mike85 · May 15, 2015

If Assetto Corsa is 100% simulation, than pCars is 90% of its simulation. AC's handling model feels more believable (as someone said that already)

NLxAROSA · May 15, 2015

The Thorn MJ said:
Stig and Hamilton and Rene Rast are part of the PR machine. I bet you never heard of 99% of the real drivers promoting iracing, when they are active in it.

Sure they have been promoting it (and without payment, so guess why?

), but it's fact that Rast is actively using it for training/practice.

Not sure if anybody over here read it already , but there's a summary of all the feedback Collins and Hamilton gave on the Project CARS tire model and physics: http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/project-cars-driver-feedback-compilation-available/

Be sure to follow the download link, it contains a document with 415 (!) pages of feedback. So promotion is only a tiny bit of what they did, they in fact helped shape the entire physics engine (most notably the tire model).

And then there is of course the young driver initiative.

David Ignjatovic · May 15, 2015

mod-edit: you know where videos should go right?

Empty Box Pcars review=simcade.

Vladimir Antic · May 15, 2015

Come on, EB is just sad becuse AI to slow for him

He wants to play but cant, thats why his cranky about it.
Also his thoughts are not truths.

bmanic · May 15, 2015

That was completely expected. Empty Box's opinion counts for almost as much as your opinion. He also called Assetto Corsa simcade, so there's that.

Andy_J · May 16, 2015

Jyri Kettunen said:
Anyway, my purchase was based on your short, positive pre-release review on this very forum, as I knew you were not a fanboy. What has happened since?

That's quite simple Jyri. The end result was not as good as promised and multiplayer is hit and miss and the AI is pathetic. Other than that, it's a bit of fun and extremely good looking when you turn off all the lens flare, post processing and other console friendly prettiness.

Peevee88 · May 16, 2015

Oddly I don't find the AI that bad (far better than AC) I run them at 100% and treat them like 'humans' which means no ramming and also giving them room if need be....

David Ignjatovic · May 16, 2015

bmanic said:
That was completely expected. Empty Box's opinion counts for almost as much as your opinion. He also called Assetto Corsa simcade, so there's that.

I've been consistent over the years, promoting true sims that have a strong range of dynamic car behaviour, and I've also been rejecting simcades, essentially pointing out that many of these glossy big hype, big advertising style of games appeal to the casual gamer and don't deserve sim status.

bmanic · May 16, 2015

Mid-pack Jack said:
That's quite simple Jyri. The end result was not as good as promised and multiplayer is hit and miss and the AI is pathetic. Other than that, it's a bit of fun and extremely good looking when you turn off all the lens flare, post processing and other console friendly prettiness.

So why keep posting here then? You've had your say, you don't like it, so bugger off?

bmanic · May 16, 2015

David Ignjatovic said:
..essentially pointing out that many of these glossy big hype, big advertising style of games appeal to the casual gamer and don't deserve sim status.

Now I understand you. You think the word "simulator" is some kind of "status" and "simcade" is a derogatory term, to be applied to "mock" something, to make sure other people think it is of lesser status.. whereas most of us go by the word "simulator" as a technical term, as defined in a dictionary and the word "simcade" as being a community coined up word almost completely void of any consistent meaning.

Actually all of your rants over the years now make sense. It's all about some kind of "status". To be 100% frank; I do not understand people with this kind of mentality. It is so warped that it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Kazumi · May 16, 2015

I'm pretty sure he means it literally and not what you imply

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/status

bmanic · May 16, 2015

I don't think so.. the sentence I quoted gives it away.

Vladimir Antic · May 16, 2015

David Ignjatovic said:
I've been consistent over the years, promoting true sims that have a strong range of dynamic car behaviour, and I've also been rejecting simcades, essentially pointing out that many of these glossy big hype, big advertising style of games appeal to the casual gamer and don't deserve sim status.

I dont understand why you think its not an simulation?
What about it is diffrent from the others you call sims?

Dynamic car behavior? whats that?

Im suprised no one noticed that pCars is the only "sim" where you intuitivly drive the car on the trotthle out of a turn. You balance it, and hen you lose grip you brak a little and car regains stabillty, Isnt that dynamic?
Ive played the other sims for far longer and still when i lose grip there no way to save the car. You have to drive under the limit becuse the physics break down and are unable to calculate whats happening. Thats how it feel to me at least.

Andy_J · May 16, 2015

bmanic said:
So why keep posting here then? You've had your say, you don't like it, so bugger off?

Don't be telling me where I can and can't post Mr Investor. I take no notice of cyber bullies trying to tell people what to do. You sly smiley does not hide your true thoughts. I have seen people like you on the WMD forums telling members where to go if they complain or didn't like something. It does not work here young man.

bmanic · May 16, 2015

My point is: it just doesn't make any sense. Why stick around, why waste your time?

Also, if I'm a cyber bully then that'd make you a cyber cry-baby, right?

Andy_J · May 16, 2015

bmanic said:
My point is: it just doesn't make any sense. Why stick around, why waste your time?

Also, if I'm a cyber bully then that'd make you a cyber cry-baby, right?

Calling members childish name does you no favours. I f I want to play Pcars, read about it, complain about it or whatever I will. I am merely saying that members like you cannot be telling others where to go or what to do.
Hope that's clear.
Have a nice day.

Andy_J · May 16, 2015

bmanic said:
That was completely expected. Empty Box's opinion counts for almost as much as your opinion. He also called Assetto Corsa simcade, so there's that.

I see Empty Box is not one of your favourite people too. You and many other investors are enjoying having a go at him on the WMD forum and quite vicious at that.. I thought his review was very fair and honest.