IMPORTANT: FSR Problems: Debate (1)

[Ho3n3r]

Looks like some fat kid took his crayon to the track.

I think Kris is onto something, perhaps find a way to decrease the heavy visual impact it has. Of course, I have no idea how to accomplish this, but it's something worth looking into.

 

[Teemu Valkeejärvi]

Can be changed. But if you make it almost no visible, then you will never see the "racing line".

I think the racing line is way too visible in rF2 atm anyway, there's no such a clear line irl, maybe on some heavy braking zones and very fast corners but in rF2 you have that on straights as well and it looks a bit stupid imo.. so just better if the "racing line" is less visible

 

[John-Eric Saxén]

As David said, if we reduce the realroad texture contrast and add 80% to start with, there will never be any racing line visible. Only good solution is for me to bugger ISI dev who made realroad and ask for reduction in grip loss. I would estimate 20% chance of that happening even if I have pretty good contacts, they seem to be pretty confident in their realroad implementation as is.

 

[David Dominguez]

I think the racing line is way too visible in rF2 atm anyway, there's no such a clear line irl, maybe on some heavy braking zones and very fast corners but in rF2 you have that on straights as well and it looks a bit stupid imo.. so just better if the "racing line" is less visible

It's an option. And yes, rF2 implementation is a bit stupid. In my opinion they should paint the track according to high longitudinal forces (braking-traction).

 

[Kris Cobb]

Is there a way to change the grip of the tire compared to the value of the rr?
Say increase grip 80% on a 0% realroad, then have the rr slow building so you see the line and has the same effect as the above posts but doesn't have the nasty looking road?

 

[Frederic Schornstein]

Is there a way to change the grip of the tire compared to the value of the rr?
Say increase grip 80% on a 0% realroad, then have the rr slow building so you see the line and has the same effect as the above posts but doesn't have the nasty looking road?

One thing I leanred so far with rF2 never mess around with tires. I am not aware of the details, but as far as my knowledge goes there is no value for that. You have values for dry and wet tracks etc. Tires in rF2 are really difficult. I once drove in a leauge, which never happened in the end and they wanted to offer 3 instead of 1 compound on GT cars. The cars were already faster in real life therefore they tried to make the tires slower 3 times and in the end all cars were around 2 seconds faster compared to the original, which was also fast enough and they also had some support and sheets from ISI. In the end there was only 1 tire that would work in the race anyway, so they wasted hundreds of hours to make the races more open to strategy to have the same thing like with the original tires with the diffrence, that 30 people wasted hundreds of hours

Sorry for the long reply. It should only be a warning. Once you open the box of pandora (tires) you will never be happy again or you have endless amounts of free time.

 

[Dmitry Zaharov]

The solution is just in increasing surface material grip and thats it. You will have more grip offline without messing out with realroad.

 

[John-Eric Saxén]

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Realroad just adds grip to every material. If track grip is increased by 50%, then realroad will be 50% increased as well + RR grip added.

 

[David Dominguez]

One thing I leanred so far with rF2 never mess around with tires.

Huge +1 on this.

 

[Dmitry Zaharov]

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Realroad just adds grip to every material. If track grip is increased by 50%, then realroad will be 50% increased as well + RR grip added.

I don't understand what you are trying to achieve then.

 

[David Dominguez]

I don't understand what you are trying to achieve then.

More grip out of the rubbered line.

 

[Ho3n3r]

More grip out of the rubbered line.

He has a good point though. If the realroad can infinitely improve, then there will always be much more grip come race time on the racing line than off the racing line.

So actually the best solution would be to start with a high realroad percentage, say 80% or whatever is decided, and make the realroad multiplier as low as possible, in order to have more uniform realroad for as long as possible.

EDIT: This feels totally off topic at the moment... #justsaying

 

[David Dominguez]

As it was said, then you won't see any racing line at all. And even if the difference is "only" 20%, trust me it's really big.

 

[Dmitry Zaharov]

More grip out of the rubbered line.

In real life this is achieved by adjusting surface and tires (and by cleaning marbles in lesser extent). Since RF2 model pretends to mimic real life this is the only way to go.

 

[Ho3n3r]

As it was said, then you won't see any racing line at all. And even if the difference is "only" 20%, trust me it's really big.

Seeing the racing line that clearly isn't priority over good racing though, surely?

 

[John-Eric Saxén]

http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/monza.92450/page-3#post-1808906
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/monza.92450/#post-1804930

People complained Monza they couldn't see racing line when it clearly was there. Regarding RR, no parameters can be adjusted about it in rF2 except for buildup rate.

 

[Ho3n3r]

http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/monza.92450/page-3#post-1808906
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/monza.92450/#post-1804930

People complained Monza they couldn't see racing line when it clearly was there. Regarding RR, no parameters can be adjusted about it in rF2 except for buildup rate.

Right. But now more are complaining about the grip off the racing line. So we need to realise we can't have both, and decide which is more important.

 

[Frederic Schornstein]

Right. But now more are complaining about the grip off the racing line. So we need to realise we can't have both, and decide which is more important.

I already drove without racing line and it feels really weird to be honest.

 

[Ho3n3r]

I already drove without racing line and it feels really weird to be honest.

Maybe. You get used to it though.

 

[Frederic Schornstein]

Maybe. You get used to it though.

Mhh I prepared and drove a 12 hour race with it. Still felt kind of weird.