Does Race 07 give better sense of traction loss than rf2?

[Kevin Knorpp]

If so, why! Rf2 ffb seems to be very detailed, but in Race 07 sense of traction loss is instantaneous, unmistakeable and even violent. And I love it. I'm referring specifically to front-drive cars as that is what I drive in Race 07. So comparing to Clio and Corsa, for example, the rf2 cars have more going on with ffb with more detail, torque steer, etc. but is detail a trade-off for clarity in traction loss? Could rf2 have too much detail? I also know seat of pants, etc info is coming through, etc, so just curious to learn and understand this more and hear others' thoughts, experiences and opinions.

 

[Dino Paolini]

Simple answer in my opinion, yes

I agree that rf2 has more stuff going on in the ffb, but at the same time everything related to traction loss/gain, especially the phases in between that state is either not there, or not pronounced in the ffb, or sometimes also very on/off-like in the cars themselves.
Full grip -> long slide -> full grip ...

All the effects regarding track-surface are plentiful and detailed indeed

I don't think necessarly that it is too much detail in this case, as that would only be the case if some constant forces would mask more subtle forces somehow, but I don't think that this is happening here.
I think this is simpy a case of a developer's choice, how the they think that ffb from the wheel should be simulated.

p.s.: I'm talking about RWD cars, as I only drive them.

 

[Stefan Mizzi]

What Race 07 car did you try Kevin? I'd love to give it a go and check myself

 

[Kevin Knorpp]

Best example is WTCC Chevrolet, although many if not all of the other front-drive WTCC are excellent also. The other thing I notice is that the skidding sounds are exactly in sync with traction loss ffb. So great.

Another point I'd like to add is that I remember fiddling with pCars ffb tweaker files which allow you to adjust traction loss, seat of pants, weight xfer, etc. and I was able to get a pretty good setup there as well with respect to traction loss coming through, but nothing as crisp as race 07 WTCC.

 

[David Ignjatovic]

The drivability and controllability of RACE07 is very under appreciated, and there's no question that some of simbins 2005-2011 stuff have both...though there are a few cars here or there that I have doubts about.

 

[Kevin Knorpp]

Just bought retro pack and have to say this ffb is also excellent.

 

[Icarus2007]

To me rFactor 2 feels like I've hit a patch of ice when I lose grip the wheel has no force at all, Race07 gives me more feel when I lose control, which is extremely rare of course.