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Do we have any simracers with reduced mobility here?

Discussion in 'Other Racing Games' started by Xosé Estrada, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    This question is something that was in my mind many times in the last years, because I have two friends that for different reasons have different degrees of reduced mobility. They are not simracers though, one is in fact a hardcore gamer because he can perfectly use keyboard and mouse, but this raised this questions:

    Does appropriate hardware for simracers with reduced mobility exist?

    I assume depending on the degree and type of the problem, some persons would be able to use a gamepad for their racing sims, but what happens if they want to properly race like they would do in a real car, isn't that what most of us want to do?



    Albert Llovera it's the Abarth Spain official driver (he's Andorran wich is the same for Spain and specially Catalonia than Monaco for France in terms of culture :) ), he participated in the WRC and he's quite succesful, to the point you can say he's not more succesful because his driving talent and not because his physical problem. He was co-drivered by Marc Martí, the former Sainz co-driver in his last years after Luis Moya.

    In real life racing, as we've seen with other examples as Zanardi, this barriers are lower than ever, in fact racing with reduced mobility depends mostly on budget, just like "usual" racing does.

    But it happens the same in simracing? I'm not that sure. I can't see many wheels with analogical paddles that can be used as throttle and brake, or even better a full ring for a brake and throttle like in real cars. I'm keeping my Driving Force (first PS2 model for Gran Turismo 3) because it's the only one I can see that can be more or less used in this circumstances, I did when I had leg injuries in the past and was usable but not optimal.

    There are lots of simracing hardware manufacturers and gadgets around, but I never found something to be used in this direction. Why? The obvious answer could be because there are not many simracers with reduced mobility... but this may be indicative of all the barriers there are to enter this world if you have a physical problem like that.

    Usually people with reduced mobility have a lot of difficulties in cities and outside because an unfriendly not well planified environment, so they spend more time at home that the average person... which is basically what simracers do as well, be at your sim instead going outside ;)

    I would like to know the community, hardware producers and specially persons in that situation (or parents, relatives, etc.) impressions about how they see the situation and what can be done to improve it.

    Cheers!

    P.S.- I apologize if I didn't use the correct terms to refer to persons in this situations, just made a literal translation from the correct terms in spanish "personas con movilidad reducida".
     
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  2. Omer Said

    Omer Said
    Weresloth Staff Premium Member

    Thanks for bringing this up Xose. I notice that in many areas of the public, lots of new cautions are taken for the people disabled or has reduced mobility. Hardware (Not just sim-racing, general home entertainment) manufactorers should join to this cause too. Tough, i have never seen such products :thumbsdown:
     
  3. There's a bloke over at NG who is currently setting up one of Simraceways wheels for other sims as he is mobility restricted.
    Apparently the SRW wheel, although it has mounting holes for a steering column, is meant to be free-held & used without pedals having triggers instead-which is why he has gone for this wheel.
    There are actually column mounts on the market for this wheel but quite expensive for what they are (around as much as the wheel from memory) & I believe there is also an/some adapters to mount to a G25/27 base-although Im not too sure on that....
    Ive taken a bit of an interest in this type of thing in all respects, not just sim-racing, since a good friend lost his legs in a car accident some time ago...
    Mind you, it doesn't stop him tearing about on a quad bike or in his V8 ute & Ive helped him convert a few tractors & even a Chevy Blitz so that he can get on with his farm work.
    There's not much that'll slow a bodge & a bush mechanic down!
    Back to sims though, it would be interesting to hear what else is on the market in these regards & maybe hearing some feedback too.
     
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  4. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    Interesting what you say about the Simraceway wheel, as i know @Pablo Lopez was adapting it to a G27 if I'm not wrong.

    It can be a good alternative if the triggers are precise enough.
     
  5. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    I wonder if it would be possible to develop a real life like paddles, that can be also used for look left-right gradually by persons with full mobility.
     
  6. I can be part of that group when it's 30°C + Humidex Factor pushing it to 43°C...
     
  7. Chris Butcher

    Chris Butcher
    Red Bull Gridsters 2012 Champion

    You Canadians are never happy. Particularly the French-Canadians :p

    On topic - I wonder what Rhys' take would be on this.
     
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  8. You called? :)

    I can't exactly say that I fit in the same category as people with reduced mobility - though I have limited to no use of my right arm, the rest of my body is perfectly fine, and I have easily adapted to existing hardware. However, when it comes to driving in real life, I've seen and heard things that I think I might be able to add to the discussion.

    Let's start with a bit of context here. I am currently taking lessons in driving a real car (the fact that my university is so far away from my home almost makes the ownership of a car and license a necessity). Due to my injury, I need specialised equipment to allow me to drive a car. It's also required by law in my case - an automatic car is the only kind of car I can physically and legally drive, plus the general rule is that you must keep at least one hand on the steering wheel whenever possible, or so I've been told by my driving instructor. I therefore need a car to have been modified to take a spinner knob with a button panel for functions like the indicators, horn, lights and wipers, in order to stay within the road safety laws.

    Of course, getting a car modified in this way is not cheap by any means. I think this extends to sim racing because, like real life, there simply isn't a big demand for such aids, because there aren't many disabled people around. And compared to the modifications I need to drive a car, modifying a car to accommodate a person who is paraplegic (for example) is incredibly complicated and expensive.

    At the end of the day, the very few manufacturers of these modifications need to stay in business somehow, and the big manufacturers (for both real-life equipment, and gaming hardware) are only interested in their bottom line and will not expend money and resources on catering to disabled gamers/sim racers that they would otherwise expend on making products that will have a greater demand. It's a sad truth, but a truth all the same.

    Right now, the only solution to this problem sim racing-wise is if you make the needed modifications yourself - which is incredibly difficult if you do not have the technical and electrical know-how - or you get a specialist manufacturer to perform the needed modifications, which is expensive. The SimRaceWay wheel is a step in the right direction, but the lack of force feedback and a stock wheel column is a tradeoff that a disabled person will sadly have to accept for now.

    This is a complicated situation... what can be done about it, I do not know. Not yet, anyway. Hopefully something can be done to make life a little easier for disabled gamers...
     
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  9. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
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    And what about combining the two?

    Because the SRW wheel can be mounted in a steering column from any of the existing wheels, if the wheel itself its okay. I guess somebody developing an adapting device that can be used by everybody to use this wheel in a Logitech can be an acceptable solution.

    In your case Rhys, what's the more significant problem you have in simracing if any? I guess you can manually shift with a button an a paddle as well, its something you are missing at the moment?
     
  10. I do - I am overweight :p

    No, seriously, great work again by a pace-setting community...Always helping others :thumbsup::)
     
  11. Yeah, when driving online or driving paddle-shift cars, I use the left button on the G25's front panel to shift up and the left paddle to shift down. The right button and panel are usually reserved for the ignition and starter, should they be required at all for the car I'm driving. I also reserve the right assembly for pit-in and pit-out chat presets if I don't need to use the ignition/starter. This video should give you an idea of how I drive with this arrangement.

    I am able to manually shift with my G25's H-pattern and sequential shifters, and often do this offline for fun. When I let go of the wheel to shift with my left hand, I bring up my right elbow and hold the wheel in place while I complete the shift. I can sometimes apply enough torque to the wheel with my right elbow to actually steer the car a little bit if I need to while shifting. The way I drive using this arrangement is best demonstrated in this video.

    It was a bit difficult at first, but like many things, it becomes second nature after a while. Sometimes it is difficult, but there's no other way I can practically do it, so I'm not going to complain. It's actually kind of fun! :)
     
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  12. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
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    It really looks you developed a good technique, it looks very coordinated and smooth (even with the shifter!), definitely your lines are super clean and seems you are 100% adapted to your special circumstance, congrats.

    I will try to check with Pablo what happens with the SRW wheel attached to a G25, it can be a good solution in cases where adapt to current hardware is not possible.
     
  13. Hey guys!
    nice post over here!
    i have a few disabled simracing friends, i had just contacted with one of them to show you his solution for simracing as he cant use any pedals.
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    what he did is attaching a controller with analog triggers and it works really good for him :D

    I talked with Xose months ago about the SRW wheel, i have this wheel as i am sponsored by steelseries, and as much as i love the wheel, i hate the fact that is like a Wii wheel.....

    So i contacted with a really clever guy (JZfilms http://simulaje.blogspot.com.es/) to try to do something to attach the SRW wheel into my G27.
    He did also a QR system in duralumin and looks really good
    EDIT!
    he just posted in his blog the final version
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    He will decide the price soon.
    the wheel itself can be found at 90€ in some spanish shops.
    the other thing is the adatper and the QR system

    thanks! and hope you like it!
     
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  14. Von Butters

    Von Butters
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    Im disabled and have seriously impaired mobility. Thankfully though, i can still move my feet enough to sim race, (thats if you call what i do "sim racing", lol) ,but walking is a hell of a struggle, i need two sticks around the home and a wheelchair when out and about.

    I have a Motorability supplied car, a Nissan Qashqui, and although i dont need it adapted yet, i have seen other using hand throttle controls.
    It would be great to see some sim rig company like Obutto or GTOmega supply something simular to enable people who cant use throttle controls the same way as they would use an ordanary street car.
    Just a thought.
     
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  15. I'm disabled and am a full time wheelchair user. I've been sim racing since 2008, and after progressing from a keyboard, to a gamepad, and eventually to a wheel, I've been using the Thrustmaster RGT Wheel since then. It's a fairly cheap wheel but is pretty good, and has 2 clutch/progressive paddles which I use for throttle and brake. Sadly, both the gear shifters and the clutch paddles are made of plastic, and with continued use, wear away quite quickly. I've been through at least 5 of these very same wheels. Fortunately the wheel is always under warranty so I've never had to pay for a replacement, they've just sent one out. But I shouldn't be having to do this anyway. :p

    Then I found out about this wheel: http://www.zroso.com/index/

    Everything I've heard about this wheel is that it's a fantastic piece of work. Unfortunately, the guy who makes it is very bad at replying to emails. Again, everything I've heard is that while he's bad at replying to emails and doesn't often hit his proposed deadlines, everyone does eventually get their wheels. However, it's been months since I've last heard from him. I have ordered a wheel, but have my doubts about whether I'm ever going to get it.

    If only I'd discovered this SRW S1 wheel a few months earlier. :p
     
  16. Xosé Estrada

    Xosé Estrada
    Premium Member

    Really interesting ben. I guess the Thrustmaster RGT Wheel is something similar to the one I have as spare:

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    This one also have analog paddles, and apparently is quite durable, but not super precise as I said.

    The wheel you ordered looks great by the way, super professional, but seems to be super expensive :D
     
  17. Yeah, it is rather expensive. :D But I have a feeling that I won't ever get to try it unless he appears out of nowhere... :(
     
  18. Hi, I'm new here. Love Sim racing and I am a parapalegic and can only use my hands. I've thought alot about finding an option for progressive paddle shifters to be used as gas and brake. Right now I have a Fanatec CSR, use paddle shifters for gas and brake and a TH8 RS for sequential shifting. Overall it works great and I have great fun with racing games.

    I've recently discovered Iracing and I love it! I'm finding out though, that it's gets difficult to drive well without progressive gas and brake. I stay with the lower powered cars as there more stable, and I pretty much finish in the middle of the group regularly. It's fine and my goals are to be competitive, not wreck anyone and not finish last. Once in a while, have moments of glory :)

    I have seen the SRW wheel and have heard of the mount on the G25/27. I do have a G25 collecting dust. I'm wondering if it would be worth trying or just be a downgrade from the Fanatec CSR. I choose the CSR cause of durable paddle shifters as I will wear them out faster than most people. That's what I did to the G25.

    So, I do my best to tweak everything - wheel controls/setup and car setup, to drive and not get the rear to loose. Progressive paddles would help alot when accelerating out of corners with faster cars and with (alot) of practice I might be able to be more competitive.
    Braking is my biggest weakness, as it's hard to downshift while braking, but i'm learning.

    So that's what I use and if anyone has experience with the SRW wheel or has any other ideas that would help Paraplegic/disabled Sim Racers, i'd love to hear.

    Well, I figured I'd be long-winded once, (sorry)
     
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  19. hi i am anthony ... i am a wheelchair user due to the disability spina bifida(which i have no use of legs) i am looking for a way round to use a wheel (cant afford a g27/25) so my question is which wheel is good for me i have a few in mind but i dunno if they are suitable they are http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Guillemot...809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item541b863bb9
    and http://www.scan.co.uk/products/spee...dback-effect-usb-pc-racing-wheel-black-orange
    also my other question is is there anyway i can re-map the buttons for say accelerator and still be able to use the shifter on these wheels ??

    any help would be greatly apreciated as i feel a little left out
     
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