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Button indignant on Lewis's behalf

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Scott Webber, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Scott Webber

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    Jenson Button reckons Michael Schumacher wasn't "all that bright" in his blocking against Lewis Hamilton in Sunday's Italian GP.

    Hamilton found himself stuck behind the Mercedes GP driver for the better part of 28 laps at Monza, unable to make a passing move stick.

    The McLaren driver did succeed in overtaking Schumacher on lap 13 through Parabolica only for the German to retake the position around the Curve Grande.

    However, his next attempt, which was on lap 21, resulted in Schumacher pulling a dubious double move to defend his line.
    But while Hamilton put Schumacher's double block down to "racing" but it seems the rest of his McLaren team are much more indignant about the lack of penalty.

    "I thought he (Schumacher) was moving quite a bit with Lewis," said Button, who was also briefly behind Schumacher before making the pass and racing to second place.

    "I had such a good run on him and came on him so fast that he couldn't move a lot, it would have been very dangerous.
    "But with Lewis he was moving across to the left and then to the right, which I don't think was all that bright.
    "Fair enough, he was coming out of a corner on to the straight but why didn't he keep to the left? He always went to the right, then left and back to the right.

    source: here
     
  2. Mohamedou Ari

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    This probably won't be the last time Schumi is accused of weaving left and right. I wish there was a better way for Schumi to defend his position. Is it me, or has the FIA also adopted a 'nanny' disposition?

    EDIT - Back then, these moves were considered part of racing, now I think we are a little overboard with driver safety, but if it's for the betterment of the drivers' and teams' well-being, so be it.
     
  3. Helder Filipe

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    Shumy got something against Lewis, always defending, as he can and as can not always right-left and right again but just do it when is Lewis Hamilton...sad...Can say everything about Lewis but he id the best just remember his first championship and his way to drive simply awesome.
     
  4. Chris Jenkins

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    Apparently the stewards weren't even asked to look at the incidents.
     
  5. Georgios Davakos

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    Wait didn't Hamilton say through the team radio to his team to report the waving to the stewards?
     
  6. Chris Jenkins

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    The teams cannot contact the stewards, only Charlie Whiting/Race Control.
    Martin Brundle was quoted saying that one of the stewards said to him after the race that he wished that they had been asked to investigate.
     
  7. Adam Eggbeer

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    Lewis just mentioned to his engineer that Schumacher was all over the road. His engineer said he was in contact with Charlie.
     
  8. Chris Jenkins

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    So basically Charlie decided that Michael did nothing wrong.
    More fuel for the argument of how inconsistent the FIA is being this year.
     
  9. Adam Eggbeer

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    It turns out the stewards missed the incident altogether because they were reviewing an incident between Trulli and Massa. Derek Daly admitted that had he seen the incident at the time, he would of advised the stewards to give Schumacher a drive through. This leads to the question: Why isn't someone else watching the race and noting down incidents for the stewards to look at whilst the stewards are busy reviewing incidents and not watching the live action?
     
  10. Chris Jenkins

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    All they need is a review list and Priority system (assuming that every race is as disorganised as this one sounds)

    For example

    -Lap 1: Incident at Turn 1 - Cars 8, 9, 23, etc (Priority 1)
    -Lap 14: Incident at Turn 5 - Cars 3, 7 (Priority 2)
    -Lap 17: Incident at Turn 7 - Cars 3, 7 (Priority 2)

    Priority 2 incidents stay in order and the stewards review them in order.
    Priority 1 incidents jump to the top of the list, but stay in lap order to be review first.

    Its a crap excuse that they 'missed it' because they were looking at other incidents.
    If Monza is half as good as the old race control at Silverstone, the stewards can watch any corner from any lap on demand.
     
  11. Luke McVicar

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    IMO schumachers moves where justified by technicality of him doing the 2nd move to go to the racing line and not to defend the position.
     
  12. Chris Jenkins

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    See that's where the rule needs clarifying.
    You either do one move and deal with it, whether you're on the racing line or not.
    Or you stick to the racing line and deal with the consequences.
     
  13. Luke McVicar

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    "20.2 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position,
    deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are
    not permitted."

    The rule says 1 defensive move only and or no Abnormal moves, which is where hes moves had justification as going onto the racing line can't be considered defending nor abnormal.
     
  14. Adam Eggbeer

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    But he was defending the corner else there was no reason for him to move off the racing line. Alos he forced Lewis to get off the accelerator at the retifillo and Ascari.
     
  15. Chris Jenkins

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    "deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the race track"

    Clear as day, Michael was guilty of this.
     
  16. Luke McVicar

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    But He still was moving to the racing line in both occasions which is excusable.
     
  17. Luke McVicar

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    1 move to defend, the other move was used to go to the racing line, now if going to the racing line happened to defend your position then that in itself is the clause in the rule that allows him to use 2 defensive moves legally.
     
  18. Adam Eggbeer

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    He was still defending his position all the way to the corner, therefore he made 2 defensive manouevres. When he moved to the inside, Lewis moved to the outside to try and overtake and then Michael moved onto Lewis' line. A clear defensive manouevre.
     
  19. Luke McVicar

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    video? im unsure of which move your talking about.
     
  20. Georgios Davakos

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    Go to Formula1.com and watch the Italien race edit video. They are showing clearly that Schumi moved twice at some point.