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Featured Assetto Corsa: 2015 and Beyond

Discussion in 'Assetto Corsa' started by Chris, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. kunos

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    it all comes down to character.. some of us couldnt care less and just get on with their life. Sadly I have a very low tolerance for stupidity, dishonesty and bullshit and eventually I end up replying.. but I agree it's usually a mistake and does much more damage than well.. no surprise pretty much every developer on the planet avoid users as a plague.
     
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  2. Blimey

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    because developers are told to have a professional attitude towards any customer or potential future customer.
     
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  3. Naliport Halulam

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    There is some folks who don't deserve any respectable attitude, only good to fill the ban list, because making disinformation all the day and call it consumer right is just disgusting.
     
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  4. Tomi

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    I personally like Stefano's honest and straight apperance more than some faceless and too official developer. His postings are actually really good and some odd way funny too, because of his straight style. Even when he call someone stupid or idiot:D
     
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  5. DewCrew88

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    So your attitude is everyone in this thread is immature and stupid for having a varying opinion huh? Could I ask a few questions that I know the answer to because one of your skype buddies told me already-

    Will mp be fixed in AC1? Will paints be changeable in the servers that aren't booking servers? Will pit stops be something that actually works to the point where you aren't driving to a red arrow and reaching for a mouse to select all your options?

    If you answer anything other than no you are being dishonest to the community because you have said to your circle there are no plans for that. "Maybe AC2 will have that."

    Can you answer why we keep revising physics to a place where you can't do anything other than plow with the front end when you over drive a corner? How now you cannot over heat the tires when you over camber them? We all as a community were happy with the physics a year or two ago , we were waiting on a finished game.

    So in summation I guess you're having another breakdown and almost deciding to quit like you've told your inner circle because you can't take that people are so demanding and have so many opinions that aren't rosy.

    This is why I will not buy anymore dlc or support you anymore, you are out right lying to the community and then you laugh it up on skype about how you're going on a banning spree on the forums. The funny thing is you can't do that here or to PRC .
     
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  6. Austin Ogonoski

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    If I replace "Stefano" with "Ian Bell", it's like I'm on the pCars forum.
     
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  7. Blimey

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    well, calling some features "a waste of developer time" and then creating them for the game later on is pretty disgusting too.
     
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  8. kunos

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    where exactly did I say that? I said that a couple of people are talking out of their asses.. specifically the dude saying that the physics dev is not in KS anymore.. hint hint, I am the physics dev lol

    As sign of good will I'll try to answer your questions:

    Will mp be fixed in AC1?
    What is "broken" specifically? Latest version reported huge improvement in car movement and collisions. Which is a proof that work is constantly underway.
    Sadly when it comes to things like AI and netcode you can't promise anything. Producing a car is a known problem for us by now.. we've done it 100 times before, we know EXACTLY how much it is going to cost and how long it is going to take. That's why it's cars and tracks that we announce, because they are the one that are guarantee to be delivered.
    When it comes to unknown stuff like AI and netcode, where you can't walk into your local library and buy "racing AI development for dummies".. or "teach yourself racing game netcode in 21 days" you're trying to solve problems that have no known or published solution.. you're basically on your own, the time to solve a particular problem might take 1 day, 1 year or an entire lifetime. Acting like it's like 2+2 it's just showing profund ignorance.


    Will paints be changeable in the servers that aren't booking servers?
    No plans for that to happen. We consider it a very minor feature that isn't worth the hassle to improve in this version of the software.
    AC went for an iR-like organization with the book mode as a result of the entire community praising that type of approach.. it turned out it wasn't a good idea, so the pickup-mode was the best way we could do to rectify the situation without completely tearing down the entire netcode.

    Will pit stops be something that actually works to the point where you aren't driving to a red arrow and reaching for a mouse to select all your options?

    Probably yes, also to allow Oculus VR users to enjoy the feature as well. But there is no timeline for this.

    If you answer anything other than no you are being dishonest to the community because you have said to your circle there are no plans for that. Maybe AC2 will have that.
    I don't know what my circle is :D I gave you an honest answer.. up to you to make what you want from it.

    Can you answer why we keep revising physics to a place where you can't do any bring other than plow with the front end when you over drive a corner? How now you cannot over heat the tires when you over camber them? We all as a community were happy with the physics a year or two ago , we were waiting on a finished game.
    I don't understand the question. I think every AC version is a step forward in terms of physics otherwise the changes would not apply. If this "community" you seem to think to represent doesn't like it well, bad for you cause I do, I think it's as correct as it gets and that's the bottom line.
    If you have some interesting data about tyre temps that you would like to share in order to improve the simulator you're welcome to discuss about it on our forums as we always do (when time allows us to do it).

    So in summation I guess you're having another breakdown and almost deciding to quit like you've told your inner circle because you can't take that people are so demanding and have so many opinions that aren't rosy.
    yeah..lol sure... didn't you get the memo? It looks like I've quit long ago :D

    This is why I will not buy anymore dlc or support you anymore, you are out right lying to the community and then you laugh it up on skype about how you're going on a banning spree on the forums. The funny thing is you can't do that here or to PRC .
    You're entitled to your opinion of course. I find it really sad that after streams and countless interactions on the forums you think I come here to lie to you.. but though.. there's nothing I can do to change that other than keep working and do the best I can just as I've been doing for the last 20 years on racing sims.. and if that won't be good enough for you.. I'll sure I'll be able to sleep at night as good as you.
     
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  9. Qazdar Karim

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    Hello Stefano,
    We need those streamings back ...
     
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  10. Austin Ogonoski

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    Bill Elliott's NASCAR Challenge (NES 1986) - Can pick the color of your car.

    Assetto Corsa (PS4 2016) - Can't pick the color of your car.

    What else are Kunos going to deem a minor feature and leave out after 30 years of driving games to study and improve upon?
     
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  11. Radu Oros

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    If you want it so much, why aren't you playing that sim from 1986?

    Did you see the answer he gave you, why you still don't comprehend the reasons for how it is?
    "AC went for an iR-like organization with the book mode as a result of the entire community praising that type of approach.. it turned out it wasn't a good idea, so the pickup-mode was the best way we could do to rectify the situation without completely tearing down the entire netcode."

    The consequence of that was that we can't choose our skins in pickup server mode.
     
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  12. Naliport Halulam

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    Lol! People are acting like they backed the project on kickstarter or similar platforme, if you dont like it why did you bought this game in the first place ? every core features was established from the start, and if you don't find it to your taste why did you waste your money ??? support a devs team by buying their product doesn't mean that you have the right to take them hostage or pressure them to make them act the way of your liking, and every features or dlc's are just a bonus for people who like to expand their gaming experience.

    If the devs are saying there is no possibility for X feature, thats because the game will surely become an unstable mess or bugged with it, if you have even a little interest for programing you will understand that building a 100m tower in a small wooden base can be a waste of money and energy, the final result will be the fall of all your achievement.

    Well, better for you or the guys above to spend your money more reasonably next time, betting on the future is just the wrong way to think, get some info about what you are going into before throwing your money and wasting your time complaining instead of playing the game.

    and sorry for my english.
     
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  13. DewCrew88

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    "If this "community" you seem to think to represent doesn't like it well, bad for you cause I do, I think it's as correct as it gets and that's the bottom line."

    It's not just myself, go through the thread there are regular guys and people with seat time in cars currently in your game who feel the same.

    No time table on pit stops working like any other modern game and no plans for paints to be changeable like any car game that has been available in the last 15-20 years is not working multiplayer. It's sort of working with a load of missing features that a great deal of us are shocked haven't been added or touched again since early access.
     
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  14. Austin Ogonoski

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    So if a bad call is being made on such a fundamental level, what other bad calls are being made that we aren't aware of yet?
     
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  15. kunos

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    I don't know how to say this politely.. but you'll be in the stream black list straight away.

    As I've said I don't stand stupidity. In this thread you went on babbling about some mysterious physics dev leaving the company with absolutely ZERO support for this claim and yet, you presented it as a FACT. You threw up a tantrum about bump steer only to be proven wrong by another user.

    You are simply unable to approach a complex problem in a scientific way, which ALWAYS, assume caution, education and understanding that we're talking about complex phenomena that DO NOT HAVE clear explanation such as tyre behavior. We're talking about a subject were experimental data is often contradicting itself making it really complex to analyze. Instead, you come in with your "facts" as they were universal and get talk **** about us from your high experience of developing of a couple of mods? Dude.. you must be kidding me.
    Caution and respect for your fellow peers should be always the first thing in approaching a scientific discussion. Your point should be presented in a rational and calm way, discussed when time allows to be discussed and tested.. eventually this might turn into improvements as it has happened before and it'll still happen again.
    And NEVER forget that AC is not a research project funded by some government funds.. AC is a software that lives of releases, deadlines and hard choices and time and priorities have to be carefully managed to avoid disasters... nor AC is your 30 eur substitute for Adams/Simulink... so you are NOT entitled to "challenge" me for anything other that AC has already delivered.

    You really started the new year with a bang.. sorry mate, perhaps next life, I am lucky enough to be in the position to simply avoid and ignore people like you.
     
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  16. Blimey

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    what?
    1st of all, I bought the game in early-access which is pretty much funding the game to get the game ready for an official version 1 release, its not acting.
    2nd of all they asked for our help, not like EA who do what they want and then sell the product.
    3rd of all, adding small features doesn't become a mess if they do it correctly, I've done my attempts in programming at school and I decided not to continue because my IT-specialist teacher was a serious jackass.
     
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  17. kunos

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    thousands.. perhaps millions.. who knows?
    I'd suggest you to stick to perfect software developed by perfect humans.
     
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  18. DewCrew88

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    This is immature on levels I have never seen before
     
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  19. JeffL

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    I am honestly amazed, but not shocked to see a dev. responding like this. It's just not good business no matter how strongly you feel about it. It's beneath you Stefano.
     
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  20. Radu Oros

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    If PRC one time guessed something does that mean everything else guessed in the future will be true? See, we can't go down that route. A little doubt doesn't harm. If you doubt everything, that's the end. The key is to question everything, not doubt everything.

    So if AC went back to booking system like it used to be more than a year ago, where players picking their own skins would work, would you accept that over the current pick up open lobbies? (attention, the current system also allows server hosts to prevent people from entering during race session, though they should be able to enter the server, just not leave the pits).
     
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