Anyone runing Raceroom with large LFE's powered by Nx3000D or Nx6000D?

[Turtle Power]

Thanks to Mr.Latte, I have receieved a tone of useful information.

One thing we are trying to find out is whether the NX3000D is the best overall for driving 2x large LFE Buttkickers or whether NX6000D is capable of delivering the same singal and power to match the specifications of the NX3000D?

Prefebly someone who has experience with the mentioned above.

Cheers.

 

[Mr Latte]

Several users of large BK will read this, even though they are not all using the same amp, lets see how many are willing to share with you their own RACEROOM effects from Simhub or indeed Simvibe.

Good Luck...


Why this thread?
This factor between the amps isn't a concern or something that cannot be addressed.
You've started this thread without even getting to grips with what you have just bought.

I do not think you will find many owners of NX6000D amps.
You simply did not need NX6000D as it has far more wattage than is required.
Peak Power 2x 3000W @4ohms

The NX3000D is the amp that's recommended for that reason as nobody that owns one to my knowledge finds it lacking in not having enough wattage to drive the large BK units.
Peak Power 2x 900W @4ohms


Wattage / Output Issues
By your own admission (with no DSP tried) even with the NX6000D you have found the output below 20Hz to still be a bit lacking. As well as having high wattage output causing some other issues with certain frequencies and also inducing piston pang.


Impatience
So many jump into tactile and want it all to be perfect with next to no tuning or learning.
Before even looking into how RACE ROOM effects may output differently to other sims. It would be more sensible to properly configure and learn what frequencies and gain levels can be used on your own installation.


Input Levels / Amplitude / Wattage Output
You are missing the point as this is not really a wattage thing. The ideal wattage is determined by how/where you have the transducers installed as to what feels right. What you use will also be determined by how peak frequencies with the transducer used may cause issues or feel uncomfortable. Applying typical volume increases ALL the frequencies by the same +/- dB that is being applied. This is a common issue/factor with standard amps.

For improved tactile, we don't want that to be a limitation. We instead want dB control for specific frequencies. To alter them in accordance with how tests done enable the user to configure a much more optimal output. This way we can boost or cut specific frequencies to adjust the feel, avoid issues and reduce or help eliminate reverb in materials based on how the unit used operates.

To get the best low bass from the transducer is not just a wattage thing or seeking to max out the units rated 1500W. Its about how we control the amplitude of different frequencies within the source and wattage being output. Also then what/how we go about creating effects to represent the subharmonics.


Large Subwoofer Users / Moving Couches
Home cinema forums also have people doing the same thing, in seeking to get controlled and extended bass. Most people appear to buy the NX3000D amps as its wattage is sufficient and the simple truth is to control low bass in the best way for a subwoofer or bass shaker/transducer, the tried and tested approach is using DSP functionality.


No Need For DSP - My Tactile Is Fine
This is the attitude with some and it's likely the vast majority of large BK owners are not getting the best out of them to my knowledge nor will they share their own effects that use their true low-end potential. Some have bought the NXD amps but seem not bothered, confused, or afraid to learn how to use the DSP.

Yet the same people will ignore past threads that try to look into achieving better performance and control or looking into effects creation that helps bring better low bass immersion.


Here below are past scenarios that come up with the subject of tactile.....


My Money I Will Buy What I Want
Yes and the same thing applies to people who ignore the recommendations in getting the DSP-based amps and they opt for the NX4-6000 instead. It has similar power to the NX3000D but over 4 channels.
4x 860W @4ohms

They get this amp primarily to power 4 channels within one box but in doing that they remove the most important features/controls and will not get the best performance or control from their tactile as it's not possible to tune them the same with standard amps.

It is possible to use additional hardware for high-quality DSP functionality but this works out more expensive and gets costly if you want it for multiple channels. While the DSP on the Behringer amps is a bit limited compared to more upmarket options, it is stunning value for money and certainly not the hardest or the worst to use.


Audio Interfaces
As another alternative option for multichannel DSP level of controls is to route soundcard(s) into specialist low latency hardware. Then a user can adapt the audio in ways professional audio applications allow. I started personally looking into this in 2016 as we can also monitor the audio being output. Handy if interested in effects creation but not something most users really need or will do. This approach does not need DSP amps but very few go this route.


DSP Via PC Software & Virtual Channel Routing
Using PC based software options that can be an additional headache.
From experience, not worth the hassle, issues with multi-channels, latency.
For some its a cheaper approach so each to their own,

These software options won't do better or be as reliable in doing what specific hardware is designed to do and used by audio professionals in various audio industries.