2 Explosions in Boston, USA

[Bram Hengeveld]

What I really dont understand that the bombers are captured on pictures wearing a white and blue baseball cap and today when the chase started they are still wearing the same hats? Or did I really misunderstood the news?

 

[Hampus Andersson]

This is brainwashing on the absolute highest level. Scary.

(Hiroshi´s video)

 

[Nathan Robinson]

Wondering Why, If They Have Him Cornered, He Hasnt Just Pulled The Plug And Ended It.

 

[Craig Stevenson]

What I don't get is these guys have supposedly just committed a Terrorist Attack and then they go and hold up a 7-11, I can't get my head round that.

One thing I found striking today was the uncontrolled Violence, Kerry and others have claimed Justice has been served by the killing of the first Brother and will hopefully follow for the second Brother, where I come from Justice doesn't mean blowing someone away, it means taking them through a Court of Law and PROVING BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT THE PERSON IS GUILTY OF THE OFFENSE(S) OF WHICH THEY ARE CHARGED. In the USA violence breeds violence, the Police, Army and other armed groups are just so gung-ho, they really do need to realise it is 2013 not 1890.

Look at events like this in Europe, you don't get several hundred officers letting rip with assault rifles, look at that innocent guy that had a bullet go through his wall, they just seem to go in all guns blazing. Compare that with the UK where you will get a team of half a dozen highly trained Specialist Weapons Officers, they will first of all try everything to take the "Suspect" alive, if that fails and things do turn nasty the "Suspect" is taken down BUT it is usually with a couple of expertly targeted shots and STILL the main aim is to take him alive. The US still has this Dead or Alive crap from the Wild West. Watching the Cops in Boston last night was like watching the Blues Brothers or The Gauntlet.

 

[Nathan Robinson]

What I don't get is these guys have supposedly just committed a Terrorist Attack and then they go and hold up a 7-11, I can't get my head round that.

One thing I found striking today was the uncontrolled Violence, Kerry and others have claimed Justice has been served by the killing of the first Brother and will hopefully follow for the second Brother, where I come from Justice doesn't mean blowing someone away, it means taking them through a Court of Law and PROVING BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT THE PERSON IS GUILTY OF THE OFFENSE(S) OF WHICH THEY ARE CHARGED. In the USA violence breeds violence, the Police, Army and other armed groups are just so gung-ho, they really do need to realise it is 2013 not 1890.

Look at events like this in Europe, you don't get several hundred officers letting rip with assault rifles, look at that innocent guy that had a bullet go through his wall, they just seem to go in all guns blazing. Compare that with the UK where you will get a team of half a dozen highly trained Specialist Weapons Officers, they will first of all try everything to take the "Suspect" alive, if that fails and things do turn nasty the "Suspect" is taken down BUT it is usually with a couple of expertly targeted shots and STILL the main aim is to take him alive. The US still has this Dead or Alive crap from the Wild West. Watching the Cops in Boston last night was like watching the Blues Brothers or The Gauntlet.

It does seem strange to rob a 7/11. There could be a thousand explanations for this but it's easy to track people via electronic transfers, i.e. atm withdrawals and card purchases. Robbing a 7/11 gets you quick cash and may get you out of town before anyone knows what happened. It doesn't make sense the killing of a campus police officer either, why draw attention to yourself. Nobody knows the answers though, wether it be truth or conspiracy theory so it's hard to tell why.

I understand that justice is served in a court of law. It may seem like vigilante justice to the outside world, but whoever did this, had no problems with blowing up innocent people watching a marathon. They then proceeded to chuck homemade grenades out of the window of their vehicle in an attempt to evade authorities. Once you cross that line, basically being a danger to society, the police take a different tactic. If you have no regard for the safety of innocent people in a residential neighborhood, you are probably going to be shot first, ask questions later. There are residents that were intereviewed saying they heard the explosions and gunfire at 12:30 in the morning so i'm of the mind to believe them. Of course, you can think the US government staged this big scene, like some kind of blockbuster movie, as some kind of conspiracy. Seems ridiculous though

 

[Nathan Robinson]

What I really dont understand that the bombers are captured on pictures wearing a white and blue baseball cap and today when the chase started they are still wearing the same hats? Or did I really misunderstood the news?

I havent seen anywhere that they were wearing the same hats. Obviously they dont know what the younger brother was wearing because he got away, as far as the older one goes though, I dont know if he was wearing the same hat or not. Seems kind of idiotic to wear the same hat, but I think they only knew it was the suspect once he was deceased.

 

[Craig Stevenson]

Of course, you can think the US government staged this big scene, like some kind of blockbuster movie, as some kind of conspiracy. Seems ridiculous though

I don't recall saying that, I'm not in the conspiracy theory camp.

I don't think this really has anything to do with Muslim Fundamentalism either, they weren't suicide bombers so they didn't achieve salvation by doing this, as far as we know they haven't left a manifesto or Jihad video, I just think they were a couple of F**ked up young men.

 

[Nathan Robinson]

I don't recall saying that, I'm not in the conspiracy theory camp.

My fault Eyghon, I know when I quote someone it seems like my whole ramble is directed at that person. I apologize and wasn't trying to imply that you were in the conspiracy theory camp.

 

[Craig Stevenson]

No probs Nathan.

 

[TherealWalkman]

LOL, way to go, comparing an entire country of 300 million different people to one crazy man who had no problem with killing his own people.

American Military Casualties in Iraq
Date
Total
In Combat

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4488 3532
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list) 4347 3424
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3627 2899
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 256 128
Since Operation New Dawn: 66 39
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 32021 Over 100000

Way to go indeed. But they are on their way nethertheless.

 

[Tom]

One thing to keep in mind as well: according to Spiegel.de the first "suspect" had so many gunshot wounds that they couldn't even count them. That doesn't sound like reasonable self-defense to me.

 

[mapu13]

One thing to keep in mind as well: according to Spiegel.de the first "suspect" had so many gunshot wounds that they couldn't even count them. That doesn't sound like reasonable self-defense to me.

I guess every single officer, who was at the scene had to act in the legal sense of self defense.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

Younger brother caught alive but wounded. Interesting. Hopefully we´ll get from him.
Such a strange story.

 

[Nathan Robinson]

Nathan Robinson said: ↑

LOL, way to go, comparing an entire country of 300 million different people to one crazy man who had no problem with killing his own people.​

American Military Casualties in Iraq
Date
Total
In Combat

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4488 3532
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list) 4347 3424
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3627 2899
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 256 128
Since Operation New Dawn: 66 39
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 32021 Over 100000

Way to go indeed. But they are on their way nethertheless.

What does that information have to do with the quote of mine that you were replying to? I understand that american lives dont even come close to the amount of afghani and iraqi lives lost, but this doesnt really relate to what I said.

That being said, American forces are not the only ones fighting in afghanistan. British forces have yielded a low number of casualties compared to afghani losses as well. It's because the American and British forces are better trained and have more advanced weapons. They are also fighting on afghan and iraq land so the civilian casualties can never be american or british. If afghanistan all of the sudden started flying bombing missions over London or Los Angeles than our casualty numbers would be at a high too. American troops get all the rap for acting like vicious beasts and killing innocents but it seems the British troops have been doing a bit of that themselves (http://rt.com/news/british-soldier-shot-teenagers-984/) and raping kids (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/221763.html)

Crazy stuff happens in war and I dont agree with most of it, but I as one single man can't do a damn thing about it. What is difficult though is listening to people who don't even live here classify americans as one group of 300 million, idiotic morons, comparable to saddam hussein, when most of us have nothing to do with government and military action. Europeans may think they are experts on americans based on what they see on their tv sets and on their news sites, but in reality, they really have no clue what it's like to live here, so judgement of americans should be withheld. I could go on for days dumping on places like England and Scotland based on what I see on TV and the news but I know it's ridiculous. You all have your own issues in your own countries so satirical judgement of americans should be witheld until you go out of your house and speak out for your own political and moral problems.

 

[Nathan Robinson]

One thing to keep in mind as well: according to Spiegel.de the first "suspect" had so many gunshot wounds that they couldn't even count them. That doesn't sound like reasonable self-defense to me.

They were chucking grenades out the window!! What do you want them to do, have a chat about turning themselves in?!?!? What would you do if you were chasing down suspects who are suspected of blowing up innocent people, just killed a campus police officer, and are chucking grenades out the window, and firing back at the squad cars? If you are innocent of crimes, why are you causing mass chaos down residential streets where families live? Police officers are trained to fire when fired upon, plain and simple. Nobody knows exactly what happened during all this. Maybe the older brother got out of the car and said he had a bomb strapped to his chest and they fired away. If someone is throwing grenades though, i'd say you have reasonable self defense.

 

[Tom]

They were chucking grenades out the window!! What do you want them to do, have a chat about turning themselves in?!?!? What would you do if you were chasing down suspects who are suspected of blowing up innocent people, just killed a campus police officer, and are chucking grenades out the window, and firing back at the squad cars? If you are innocent of crimes, why are you causing mass chaos down residential streets where families live? Police officers are trained to fire when fired upon, plain and simple. Nobody knows exactly what happened during all this. Maybe the older brother got out of the car and said he had a bomb strapped to his chest and they fired away. If someone is throwing grenades though, i'd say you have reasonable self defense.

1-5 bullets might be reasonable.

 

[TherealWalkman]

one crazy man who had no problem with killing his own people.

You know Chuck Norris doesn´t really exist. But there surely exist millions of hot headed American taxpayers who are barely able to read but support "their troops" in a multinational mass slaughter all over the globe. This is the point. Its the majority of Americans who support a small group of fatalists who believe in fairytales written in a book and laugh at the same time at cultures that believe in other fairytales.Yet they call others conspiracy theorists to kill off any debates that try to focus on interests of the elite. I don´t say that there are some pretty weird wackos around that come up with insubstancial theories but calling someone else a CT is as lowbrow as calling someone else mentally obdurate.

Lets keep it simple. China for example invested in building relationships with other countries during the last 10 years. America on the other hand bombarded other countries for the last 10 years. And now Americans wonder why so many people hate them. Isn´t that funny?

 

[Chronus]

This is the point. Its the majority of Americans who support a small group of fatalists who believe in fairytales written in a book and laugh at the same time at cultures that believe in other fairytales.

Hard to disagree with your post.

However, this has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with Power.

This, the whole fairytales and media manipulation is just a means to keep the wheels of Power rolling. Everything else is only a smoke screen, useful in keeping people from noticing the Truth...and keep people fighting (politics vs politics, religion vs religion, race vs race).

Back in time a few years: the Bush administration and 9/11. Lies and war.

Aznar, ETA and 11M: lies and support for the war.

London Bombings, Blair: lies and support for the war.

How come so many still have doubts and believe the absurd fairy-tales the media tell us?

 

[Omer Said]

What is the problem of these people in the picture? Celebrating the arrest and death of convicts Just a few days ago people died there! And these 2 guys are not trialed yet (And they will not as one died, other will be executed or something probably)... Not all USAns are like the fools in this picture, but still it's scary...

I wonder what the police did in the curfew period. Some Turkish-Americans reported to news agency AA that their houses are investigated to the last corner. And even some had their home intruded from the rooftops in night while they sleep.
A poor woman stated "They entered suddenly in night, first i thought they were burglars or something..."
(Source: AA news agency)

 

[mapu13]

It strikes me how these particular people wave their flags like they have being victorious - out of all reason! I mean people died, got heavily injured, experienced shock and fall on hard times. Have they forgotten this all of a sudden? Instead of waving us flags like true patriots they should be asking themselves what's going wrong in their society and caused yet another two persons to plant bombs in their country.

Also, who wouldn't be afraid of police force entering houses in the middle of a night armed to the teeth? I wonder how many people got killed by the police only because they have been scared to death and made a wrong move.