Mini Cooper.

Alexander Knoll · May 2, 2011

sorry...but for top speed i foung the info about ~140-150 kmh...if you want more top speed, lower the friction from the diff to ~50....
hmm...4 or 5 speed....i found only ratios for 4 speed...or for the 2gen with 6 speed....but not for 5 speed....if some one have ratios for 5 speed please post it here...

EDIT: the site bandit provides, is 4 speed too....so what is right?

EDIT2: i think i use the 3,939er diff and a friction from 50, with that combo i get a top speed of ~160kmh at the end of polish roads...

bandit82 · May 2, 2011

Classic mini never had 5 speed gearbox as standard from the factory. During production, Cooper garages offered an aftermarket upgrade to a 5 speed box and there are still some places who will sell you a 5 speed box, such as KAD.

http://www.kad-uk.com/gearbox.htm

DavidI · May 2, 2011

It is a bit of a whopper of a mini isn't it? I compared it to FSR's M3 & the Lambo, and it looks a trifle large.
It should only have a four speed as Bandit stated.
Wasn't Stecki's mini fairly accurate in it's ini? I thought Mr Whippy had a hand in it as well? Maybe use it for some close to accurate figures for this one?

Alexander Knoll · May 2, 2011

bandit82 said:
Classic mini never had 5 speed gearbox as standard from the factory. During production, Cooper garages offered an aftermarket upgrade to a 5 speed box and there are still some places who will sell you a 5 speed box, such as KAD.

http://www.kad-uk.com/gearbox.htm

...hmm..that is differend to the book site i found....

QuadCoreMax · May 2, 2011

Thx Alexander for your car.ini !!

I merged your Pacejka with my 'original' car ini values & the hand-braking now feels real. About the rest (gearbox ratio / top speed), I can't get enough fun from it...

I found a freeware tool for the creation of our gearbox ratios, does anyone use it & what do you think of ?

http://www.locost7.info/gearcalc.php

It's quite cool as you can see, you decide 'approximately' your final differential ratios + your gear ratio & you get a cool generated array which indicates the velocity @ the given RPM for each gear....

I've used it for the Mini to get some reference....

Here's also what Shift uses to reference all gear ratios + final gear ratio :

Code:

// Common gearbox
[GEAR_RATIOS]
ratio=(10,35)   // 3.500 (0)
ratio=(12, 36)  // 3.000 
ratio=(22, 65)  // 2.955
ratio=(12, 35)  // 2.917
ratio=(16, 46)  // 2.875
ratio=(12, 34)  // 2.833
ratio=(14, 39)  // 2.786
ratio=(12, 33)  // 2.750
ratio=(17, 46)  // 2.706
ratio=(12, 32)  // 2.667
ratio=(16, 42)  // 2.625 (10)
ratio=(12, 31)  // 2.583 
ratio=(13, 33)  // 2.538
ratio=(12, 30)  // 2.500
ratio=(13, 32)  // 2.462
ratio=(12, 29)  // 2.417
ratio=(16, 38)  // 2.375
ratio=(12, 28)  // 2.333
ratio=(14, 32)  // 2.286
ratio=(12, 27)  // 2.250
ratio=(14, 31)  // 2.214 (20)
ratio=(12, 26)  // 2.167 
ratio=(16, 34)  // 2.125
ratio=(12, 25)  // 2.083
ratio=(22, 45)  // 2.045
ratio=(12, 24)  // 2.000
ratio=(23, 45)  // 1.957
ratio=(13, 25)  // 1.923
ratio=(19, 36)  // 1.895
ratio=(15, 28)  // 1.867
ratio=(24, 44)  // 1.833 (30)
ratio=(15, 27)  // 1.800 
ratio=(17, 30)  // 1.765
ratio=(23, 40)  // 1.739
ratio=(14, 24)  // 1.714
ratio=(25, 42)  // 1.680
ratio=(17, 28)  // 1.647
ratio=(16, 26)  // 1.625
ratio=(20, 32)  // 1.600
ratio=(19, 30)  // 1.579
ratio=(20, 31)  // 1.550 (40)
ratio=(25, 38)  // 1.520 
ratio=(25, 37)  // 1.480
ratio=(22, 32)  // 1.455
ratio=(19, 27)  // 1.421
ratio=(18, 25)  // 1.389
ratio=(22, 30)  // 1.364
ratio=(18, 24)  // 1.333
ratio=(17, 22)  // 1.294
ratio=(19, 24)  // 1.263
ratio=(20, 25)  // 1.250 (50)
ratio=(19, 23)  // 1.211 
ratio=(17, 20)  // 1.176
ratio=(22, 25)  // 1.136
ratio=(22, 24)  // 1.091
ratio=(22, 23)  // 1.045
ratio=(22, 22)  // 1.000
ratio=(24, 23)  // 0.958
ratio=(28, 23) // 0.83 
ratio=(29,22) //0.76 (59)
ratio=(31,21) // 0.71 (60)
ratio=(33,20) // 0.606
ratio=(32,16) // 0.50

[FINAL_DRIVE]
bevel=(1, 1)
ratio=(6, 39)  // 6.50 (0)
ratio=(6, 38)  // 6.33
ratio=(5, 31)  // 6.20
ratio=(6, 36)  // 6.00
ratio=(6, 35)  // 5.83
ratio=(6, 34)  // 5.67
ratio=(6, 33)  // 5.50
ratio=(7, 38)  // 5.43
ratio=(7, 37)  // 5.29
ratio=(7, 36)  // 5.14 
ratio=(7, 35)  // 5.00 (10)
ratio=(7, 34)  // 4.86
ratio=(7, 33)  // 4.71
ratio=(8, 37)  // 4.63
ratio=(9, 41)  // 4.56
ratio=(8, 36)  // 4.50
ratio=(9, 40)  // 4.44
ratio=(9, 39)  // 4.33
ratio=(9, 38)  // 4.22
ratio=(9, 37)  // 4.11 
ratio=(9, 36)  // 4.00 (20)
ratio=(9, 35)  // 3.89
ratio=(11, 42) // 3.82
ratio=(12, 45) // 3.75
ratio=(10, 37) // 3.70
ratio=(10, 36) // 3.60
ratio=(11, 39) // 3.55
ratio=(10, 35) // 3.50
ratio=(11, 38) // 3.45
ratio=(10, 34) // 3.40 
ratio=(12, 40) // 3.33 (30)
ratio=(12, 39) // 3.25
ratio=(14, 43) // 3.07
ratio=(13, 39) // 3.00
ratio=(16, 47) // 2.94
ratio=(11, 32) // 2.91
ratio=(14, 40) // 2.86
ratio=(15, 42) // 2.80 (37)
ratio=(15,40) // 2.66
ratio=(16,40) // 2.50

camsinny · May 2, 2011

For that to actually be useful you need to look in the .cdf file
i.e. for the mp4-12c:

Code:

FinalDriveSetting=29                 // indexed into GearFile list
ReverseSetting=0
ForwardGears=7
Gear1Setting=0
Gear2Setting=18
Gear3Setting=30
Gear4Setting=42
Gear5Setting=52
Gear6Setting=56
Gear7Setting=59

QuadCoreMax · May 2, 2011

LoL Cam I know ! Hehe

I use to mod them & if you compare with the original file, you'll see I added some ratios at the extremes...
Anyway, while talking about gear ratios which are quite important, how about a future Racer GUI which interfaces the whole ?

Alexander Knoll · May 3, 2011

...he he he...i found what i've looked for....Cooper S 1275...

bandit82 · May 3, 2011

Alexander Knoll said:
...he he he...i found what i've looked for....Cooper S 1275...

This is Mini from 1964.

Alexander Knoll · May 3, 2011

bandit82 said:
This is Mini from 1964.

yes i know...i only want to grap some specs...^^

.....
[video]http://youtu.be/9DOjKytb_jQ[/video]

bandit82 · May 3, 2011

No no no... this is not normal Cooper. Why you show me tuned Mini for Racing?

Look at this:

Harey · May 3, 2011

Alexander Knoll said:
...he he he...i found what i've looked for....Cooper S 1275...

be patient and I'll bring out a version of my MK1 thats a 1275 Cooper S

Also bandit, I'd suggest going in and trying to figure out the car.ini yourself to make this Mini how you want it.

Alexander Knoll · May 4, 2011

bandit82 said:
No no no... this is not normal Cooper. Why you show me tuned Mini for Racing?

Look at this:

...sorry for OT...i know the race mini has nothing to do with your's...^^
...do you look at the pic and compared to the vid?

...back to toppic....it's curios...i found at ca. 15 differend web sites atm 3 different max. torque for the same car....from 91NM over 95NM to 115NM....lol what is the right?

KS95 · May 4, 2011

65hp or so would be about 115nm, what's stock hp?

Alexander Knoll · May 4, 2011

KS95 said:
65hp or so would be about 115nm, what's stock hp?

...thats the problem....all sites says thats stock^^

EDIT:
for example...
http://www.autoscout24.at/Details.aspx?id=v4yw2jvkregi

KS95 · May 4, 2011

Yeah, I'd go with 115nm or so and compare to youtube videos.

bandit82 · May 4, 2011

Harey said:
be patient and I'll bring out a version of my MK1 thats a 1275 Cooper S

Also bandit, I'd suggest going in and trying to figure out the car.ini yourself to make this Mini how you want it.

With changes from Alexander ini is pretty good.