Banned for no reason!

I can say that foot control is as important as steering to me. Can't say much about your comparisons though.

On Xbox 360 (and PS3) anyone got analog control for steering and throttle / brake (triggers) though. In theory they allow the same input just with less precision due to less resistance and distance. So basically it should be possible to control a real car with a pad, and the input tweaks like sensitivity and so on should aid in driving and/or act like there's kinda more resistance / FFB when it helps in driving.

There's no "digital", any digital input is an analog input just with different timing until full lock (based on time, speed, yaw and so on) - but of course in either way, that's a challenge. But it's no necessary to support digital on consoles (some racing games input can't even be mapped to buttons)

Edit: You're right though, not everyone can and want to drive precision with a pad. If you jerk the thumb stick it will be critical, as neither too much as not enough smoothing and so on will really feel perfect. It's not that unsimilar to low rotation wheels or pedals without any resistance though (basically anything not as good as DFP and DFGT) - you will run into similar or even the same problems just with a bit different outcome.

Many are already, so why try and talk me out of expressing my opinion?, and bare in mind that I often react to what some of the seniors say, so when I hear them congratulating this or that, I shake my head in bewilderment.

SMS aren't too far from their financial goal, and not only can more money come from the general public, the current crop of investors might choose to dig deeper if the NTM/physics inspire them.

It's an interesting position you're adopting at the moment, cause IMO, had you tried to explain to WMD your thoughts on objective physics etc, you'd probably be ridiculed as a iracing nutter.

That is a given. We know that. Why not let it go by now? Again, whatever we (small/micro/nano investors) may say will not have the least effect on how the project is being steered. It's time to just let this one sit. And wait.

Obviously there is a big difference.

But by now, a significant percentage of iRacers have invested upwards of 1000 Euros. There are still important bugs and new problems have appeared. At NG, moderator darock has been honestly and intelligently discussing some of these issues with other iRacers.

But...are the voices of those that complain about bugs/problems with iRacing being heard?

Are dissenting opinions being suppressed there, or not?

Mind you, it's not MONEY-RETURNS-INVESTMENTS that's at stake with iRacing, just people spending hundreds of euros on something that still has significant problems.

Suppressing people's opinion or ridicule them is wrong. Be it in regards to pCARS or iRacing or any other sim.

But there must come a point where we just let it go. Let them finish their job instead of instigating some of their representatives.

Well...The reaction to VR's article/piece on the brakes&throttle bug was simply to ridicule it or point to other simulations having the same problem (dubious) just to defend iRacing's "honour".

When I and others, at iRacing forums, tried to dialogue with Dave after 2.0 was released, what happened? The trolls (some of them banned since then) reacted in unison and insulted whoever acknowledged problems with NTM, calling us "SIMBIN nutter", "rFactor nutter" and much much worse...It didn't matter our backgrounds, or our sources, or our arguments, or our data: labelling critics as "haters" was paramount.

So, you see, the way some SMS fans or representatives react to criticism is not different from the way trolls reacted to criticism at iRacing forums.

I'm not lying or exaggerating about pcars and I've said many times that it has the potential to be one of the best racing games ever made, and I will always give it props when they're due and would immediately do an about face should proper sim physics turn up, that being the case, I see no reason to stop discussing pcars, and I certainly don't want anyone trying to determine what I can or can't say.

Think of this thread as an anomaly, and then just judge each post on it's own merit, so for example, when I drive the latest build, if I do criticize it, don't act like OMG, he never shuts up, instead, just consider my thoughts and act accordingly.

It is time to move on. Avoiding unnecessary, unproductive conflicts is something that this community should think about.

Long, long discussions, many of them quite technical, some of them with professional pilots giving their input...no feature, suggestion or criticism was accepted.

Lucky man you are, Xosé.

So, iRacing forums are the wild, and trolls can offend anyone with a different opinion? How is that different from what is being told of WMD?

That is not and never will be free speech.

On that front (the lovely "wild" and the pseudo-experts at iRacing forums who submerge any form of positive criticism/influence with insults and mockery):

Kindda makes one wonder why some of the trolls were banned, if it really is the "wild wild west"...

Who doesn't want to sell more than 7.4 million?

Maybe you should apply for a mod position at WMD.
I advertise and keep updated threads on rf2 and GSCar at other forums, and also previously did this with Simbin, so I do my little part to help quality sims that I like.

The F3.5 is much better than it was, but I require more feel of the rear of the car to enjoy driving it, plus I feel the low speed grip is a bit too low. Like you say the Formula Master has a much greater low speed grip problem.

The 370z is still my favourite car in RF2, good amounts of grip, great feel and audio and great fun to push hard. I quite like the Megane too, but the engine sound is very poor.

I'll have to give the R35 a go next time I play, I've not tried it since the last update.

Regarding PCARS I've not driven it much, I'm waiting for physics, tyre model and ffb improvements until I begin driving it more again. I also hope AI work will begin sooner rather than later, as there is plenty of work/testing to do on that front.

Yeah, that's why I winked a "lucky man" at you.

Hence why I said there is a difference. However, as a paying customer in a forum where the devs often post, I expected, at least, to see the most serious problems addressed. For a while, all we read were excuses and the insults from the trolls. Even one of the real life professional pilots got mocked by the same lot that were shouting for DiBeneddeto to be banned.

The biggest problem is with the physics. Fortunately, Dave is there and that hopefully means that given enough time we should see most problems solved.

The service itself is the best there is. Unbeatable really. Sanctions, SR ratings, etc, this has also been evolving and is perhaps the best system ever made to counter the proliferation of bad behaviour. Maybe not perfect, but close.

But you are right. Over-aggressive racers do exist and their numbers are not insignificant. Maybe they are counting on the "school videos" and the long term influence SR ratings have on people to at least minimize the problem. I doubt it'll make a difference - when I read/hear people stating that Villeneuve's rear ending of Danica is normal/legal/acceptable, when people comment on Negri's rear ending of J. Barbosa (effectively ending the DP #9 race right there and just short of finishing the race) as being "pure racing"...How can anyone control the impetus of people who think racing is rear ending others and taking them out?

I read you.

Thing is, for all purposes there are 3 ways of suppressing criticism (and we saw how it went in preparation for the shameless war in Iraq #2):
- mock critics
- ban critics
- have a bunch of happy-go-trolling trolls (some of which famous for having been banned from other well known sites - GT Planet, VR, NG, SimHq, etc) who attack critics with full impunity (until...even the trolls step over the line with the most obscene language usable on a forum)

At iRacing forums, staff do not ban people just for making criticism.
At iRacing forums, staff do not mock people just for making criticism.
At iRacing forums, too much trolls are allowed to roam free, thus any positive discussion about serious problems is effectively suppressed. I believe, however, Dave Kaemmer is not accountable for this, nor most of his staff. It's as you say: they allow any troll/caveman in and it's often not easy to kick them out.

I just got aware of this and many other forums spending hours of reading on this SMS topic. Seems like this is SMS´s way of dealing with people who don´t share their attitude. Lets have a look in my history book, hmmm....

I failed history

Lemme help you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

Everybody who doesn´t share their view is dumb

Are you new to the WMD forums?

Hi David,
why U ask? I mean you can look it up.

I was just curious if you were a newbie or an established member, and I now see you've been there for 6months and have hundreds of posts, so you're not a troll.

Well thank you. I think that as well. But what does it count? If you ask Stephen Baystedt, Andy Garton and for example our dear Micas you will get another answer.
I´ve posted many useful posts trying other to help. But when I asked I usually got no answer. If it happened it was usually "all is WIP".
Now I got severly attacked (Stephen Baystedt called me an arse and several others tried to convince me that I´m a rude and disrespectul troll) after asking for news on audiodevelopment. This was their weak spot. As a matter of fact Andy Garton openly ordered other developers in the forum to not talk to me. I would really like to post the discussion but I want to check for more ianities. So far I saved the discussions to present them if needed.

WOW, that seems over the top....it's amazing how quickly you can be singled out over there.